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liXiao
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Does anyone know what rubber Wang Tao used on his forehand? I know he was famous for using Avalox P700 and TSP Spectol, but his forehand has been a mystery to me for awhile.
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Great find Amonteiro, i couldn't the pic because it was on the last page (54).
So Xu Hui: YEO with Tenergy 05 red on forehand.
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Xu Hui at Osaka WTTC 2009
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liXiao
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Ma Long is using Boll ALC with H3 Neo and Tenergy 64 Wang Liqin is using TBS, though he's been seen using the Rosewood, with H3 neo, the backhand I'm unsure. Zhang Jike is using the Viscaria with H3 neo and Tenergy 64.
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Anyone knows blade of Xu Hui? I know it was a long time ago Yasaka extra cpen but now?
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Whats the equipment from the chinese shakehandle players ?
Ma Long , Zhang Jike , Wang Liqin , And Samsonov and Ovtcharov ? |
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who is he? |
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Anyone Know Zheng Xun's equipment?
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Matsush*ta used the Matsush*ta Pro Model (sadly now discontinued by Butterfly, but easy to find) with Tackifire Drive, and Feint Long II (he sometimes played with Feint Long III). Chen Xinhua (I have heard) that he used a DHS PF4 blade, with Yung long pips on the backhand (almost impossible to find since they were deemed illegal years ago, though I have found a shop that sells them). His forehand rubber I do not know though.
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thanks to : liXiao Boss1703 zeio
anyone noes wat Matsush*ta and Chen Xinhua is or once used? |
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In this clip at 0:13 it can clearly be seen that Wang Liqin changed or is testing a Rosewood blade...
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Blade: OSP Virtuoso-L RST 87gr
FH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 FX 2.1 BH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 |
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racquetsforsale
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Thanks, Zeio.
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before glue ban it was bryce sponge. now i read it is bryce speed sponge. i would love to own one of these custom rubbers!
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thnks 4 d tip Edited by lovemagicworld - 04/15/2011 at 10:39am |
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zeio
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Strictly speaking, Wang Hao and Ma Lin are using Skyline 2 and 3, which carry both grippy and tacky characteristics.
One plausible explanation, from what appears to be the norm among many users, is that European rubbers(e.g. Early-gen ESN tensors) tend to play springy but feel blank(as in feedback lacking firmness, 虛彈 in Chinese) whereas Japanese rubbers(e.g. Tenergy, Sriver, Mark V etc.) give off the mushy(肉) feeling, and both, owing to their grippiness and bounciness, suffer in short games(e.g. more difficult to keep pushes short and low.) The majority of top Chinese players base their close-to-table, forehand-dominant, offensive games on third, fifth ball kills after service and short, touch plays when receiving to keep opponents in check. On those occasions where these two approaches are not effective they would proceed to mid-to-long-range forehand rallies assisted by transitional backhand loops, fishes or lobs. In that regards, Chinese tacky rubbers fit the bill. The added tackiness facilitates spinny serves and low touches while still maintaining lightning speed on hard strokes thanks to the underlying rock-hard and dead sponge in return for a sense of solidness. For those few and far between smashes high off the table, Ma Long and Zhang Jike, among others, have "innovated" by twiddling to the backhand rubber to overcome the one major weakness common to tacky rubbers. As for gluing, the idea is to expand, liven up the sponge and in the process cranks up the tension of the topsheet, but with the "side-effect" of softening the sponge, which may lead to it bottoming out on fast hard shots, hence the brick-hard sponge. Tuning with Haifu oil serves a similar purpose but less effective. The topsheet and sponge of the NEOs are drastically different from and a degree or two softer than the old one. |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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racquetsforsale
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Right on, Dragon.
Bottom line, I'm just curious why anyone, pros and amateurs alike, chooses tacky Chinese rubbers with firm sponges in the first place, then tunes them to make the sponges softer, and in WLQ's case, it appears, the topsheet also less tacky. I mean, the Hurricane rubbers the Chinese players use, they're all about tackiness and firm sponges, right? In addition, if it is grippy and lively sponges the Chinese players are after, why not choose European or Japanese rubbers instead. Heck, even the other Chinese rubber manufacturers make rubbers with those properties. What's going on? |
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He is talking about when WLQ is ready to serve and waiting for opponent to get ready. He will bounce the ball on his racket. I think his topsheet is slightly tacky mixed with some haifu oil it will bounce a little like that. But who knows. Just my guess
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It's most likely heavily boosted with the Haifu oil many Chinese players use. That stuff really gives some life to those tacky rubbers. He also has one of the most powerful forehands in the world so his forehand will look a lot more powerful than pretty much any other player's forehand with the exception of some J-pen players. |
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Judging by the way the ball bounces on WLQ's racket before he serves, it makes me wonder whether his rubber is tacky at all. The ball can't bounce in such a lively manner on a tacky topsheet right? If his topsheet is not tacky, then is he just playing with a grippy topsheet on a firm sponge? Is that sponge even firm, after he tunes it?
Which pros play with a truly tacky Chinese rubber with a firm sponge?
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lovemagicworld
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wat HK is tat handle?
by the way... is Wang Hao and Ma Lin's Skyline a NEO version and wat is the sponge of Wang Hao's Sriver? |
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yeah that's where I saw it, but I think I saw it best when he played Saive, and I couldn't find that video.
I'm still sticking with Bw3 FH though, I have the sponge in front of me.
No way it's tenergy.
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Nori
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Yes, LiXiao, This is the picture I double checked before I told you his setup. Could be provincial Haifu or tenergy. |
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At Asia-Europe Challange Tang Peng was using Rosewood.
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liXiao
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The picture is from three weeks ago, the latest picture of tang peng from the ITTF.
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beeray1
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when was that picture from? I couldn't find the video where I saw Rosewood. Haifu BW3 is what I've always thought because it's the same color purple as BW3- I have an old sheet, I might even be one of only 3 people in the world who can say this because of the ridiculous price tag haha.
Also, how do you know it's original?
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liXiao
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Looks like an Ebenholz to me.
I know he still uses Yasaka Original on the BH, but I'm positive that he uses Haifu on his forehand.
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Nori
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did u see the rubber?
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beeray1
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Last time I saw tang pengs racket, it had a handle that was the same color as Rosewood. A lot lighter colored than Ebenholz
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