The pro's equipment -discussion and questions!

*_strataras_* wrote: Boss1703 wrote: timo boll "ST" is done by michel detrigne so you couldn't have the same... it is the same method as my korbell "ST" : https://www.facebook.com/pierrefiassemapageping/photos/a.1709524455946733.1073741831.1655273024705210/1709524792613366/?type=3&theater This is how michel detrigne did your handle after sanding it down? Or this is how you made the handle?

strataras, you are so curious. We are talking about the handle shape and dimensions! Not about blade sealing. Michel Detrigne , who cares. That is just simply brainless. Please read the sentences carefully bevor you give odd ideas.

ttspirit wrote: *_strataras_* wrote: Boss1703 wrote: timo boll "ST" is done by michel detrigne so you couldn't have the same... it is the same method as my korbell "ST" : https://www.facebook.com/pierrefiassemapageping/photos/a.1709524455946733.1073741831.1655273024705210/1709524792613366/?type=3&theater This is how michel detrigne did your handle after sanding it down? Or this is how you made the handle? strataras, you are so curious. We are talking about the handle shape and dimensions! Not about blade sealing. Michel Detrigne , who cares. That is just simply brainless. Please read the sentences carefully bevor you give odd ideas.

I think it was just a fauklt from you to write down "Timo boll ST is done by detrigne". YOu should write down corectly " Timo Boll's blade is done by detrigne, specially the blade !

ttspirit wrote: Hello wake up! The ST handle is not done by detrigne- it is a development of Butterfly and Timo BOll, a development from Viscaria ST to Spirit ST and from Spirit ST to Boll ALC ST and nothing else. I think you are talking about cosmetic things...,that's what you are interested in ? Allright, but please don't bore us with details we allready know or don't want to know or heard thousand times. Thank you for your comprehension. Again, we are talking about handle dimensions like wideness and thickness and handle shapes. Maybe detrigne is a good blade sealer but call it now a day. By the way, the fewest have a blade treatment from detrigne and there is no need that everybody has that. That is just overrated and not practical for everybody. A simple good and smooth sealing does its job. That' all. Have a nice day.

Edited by *_strataras_* - 09/07/2016 at 8:07am

Well Olio I also repair blades  here in Greece and I know the needs of the handle-head balance, or the balance in handle specs beacuse many players have sent me their blades to repair them, even if it is broken etc. That's why I ask Boss1703 if he made this korbel's handle by himself or he sent it to Michel D. to make it like this. And I say that IF Michel D. made this handle like this, it is completely awful for his experience. BUT if Boss1703 made this handle by himself to his blade, then I can understand bad result, cause we can all understand it is better something to be fixed by someone with experience, and not by someone who has never done this before.

bbkon wrote: Baal wrote: Giangt wrote: Baal wrote: Who is Michel Detrigne? Thats the guy who lacquer the pro's blades e.g. for Timo, Dima... Does he use some method different from anyone else who seals a blade? Edit.  Insomnia, so I spent some time on a French language forum.  One person described his sealing method as like "the magic potion of Panoramix", (from Asterix cartoons).  So apparently he has some unique method that he does as a favor to people he knows who include some pretty famous pros.  I wonder what it is?  What are the features you get of a blade treated by michelle detrigne?

No problem at all ttspirit! I just didnt like the way you talked to me, otherwise it would be a quite missunderstanding  

shaun729 wrote: Hi ttspirit Does this clip prove your point about pro's handles? at 38:09 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-CrOj3pJOs

Edited by DreiZ - 09/08/2016 at 9:43pm

shaun729 wrote: Hi ttspirit Doesn't this clip prove your point about pro's handles? at 38:09 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-CrOj3pJOs

Hi shaun729, it does reflect exactly what I'm talking about and trying to have you guys understand and that you people don't let fool you from the industry telling us lies and selling us non professional equipment. I mean butterfly or Donic tells us that timo boll is playing with a straight handle blade, then I want exact the same ST handle Version which has been optimized, when I spend my dollars and euros for it. And if I'm not being able to handle  that blade, well that should be my own problem.

It's not just size, though.  Shape is important.  I recall the last custom Viscaria ST I got from Butterfly.  It was large (which is ok) and really uncomfortable with ridiculous sharp square edges on it.  I know a lot of this is a question of taste and hand size too, but I seriously couldn't imagine who they thought would want to play with a handle like that!  That was really disappointing, waiting about 4 months for them to build it, paying substantially for it, and then getting something like that.  I should have been more specific but I naively thought I would be getting a shape like the original Viscaria ST when I asked for a Viscaria with a ST handle! 

A lot of Btfly handles are too small for people much taller than about 5'10"  (178 cm) assuming average hand proportion. On the other hand, their composite materials are really really nice.  It could be that they make one size per model that they think fits the average of their customer base (based on Asian standards).

On another thread people are discussing whether or not Btfly supplies some sort of special "national" version of Tenergy 05 to their sponsored players, and people seem to think they do.  I personally have no idea if that is the case (and I wouldn't be convinced because someone stamped "gift" on the back, since nothing is easier to buy for a couple of dollars than a custom ink stamp).

However, I can't imagine that they don't provide handles that are more or less customized to the hands and tastes of their star players.  From a production standpoint, that is probably a lot easier for them than altering the rubber manufacturing process!  And my experience is that the handle shape actually is pretty important for how you play.

In fact,  Soulspin already can make a wide range of custom handles sizes and shapes for the average guy on the street!

I always felt like Donic and Tibhar made nice handle shapes for taller players, but until recently I never cared for the blades that they made (which I suspect was also the opinion of a lot of their sponsored players!)

Handlezzzzzzz.

Anyway, I'm having a lot of trouble accessing the forum these days so I can't post pics or links easily. I'll type this one in manually:

Https://youtu.be/K27uWR7jznk?t=103

Look at Kirill's handle.

Edited by AndySmith - 09/10/2016 at 6:13am

Weird, eh? Why bother changing the lens? Not fooling anyone with that kind of half hearted effort.

It probably is sponsorship issue, but it's one of the most lazy attempts I've seen.

Adrien Mattenet (september 2016)

Edited by tonyvista - 09/16/2016 at 6:07pm

What did chiang peng lung use and what does wong chun ting use? Xu xin uses skyline 3 blue sponge, right?

Edited by Bobobo - 09/21/2016 at 1:11am