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OMG, we want those.... Actually I've been trying for quite some time to find Li Ning shoes but without success so far
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Anyone know what Wu Yang is playing with these days? And is it possible to purchase her kind of blade commercially? 
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But is FZD using a real DHS blade, or just a Viscaria with DHS handle?
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Originally posted by glanden.zheng glanden.zheng wrote:





Excuse the off topic post, but that looks like the ball is resting on the joints of his fingers and hand and thus a foul serve, right?
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Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:

But is FZD using a real DHS blade, or just a Viscaria with DHS handle?


A version of Hurricane 3
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A Stiga blade...
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I wonder how there are still foreign factories in China. Some people have really short vision.
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Originally posted by Vlad0 Vlad0 wrote:

I wonder how there are still foreign factories in China.

Care to elaborate your point?
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Is there some kind of executive order from China to discontinue outside influences on Table tennis? No more foreign players in Chinese Super league, Pro players to not use foreign table tennis equipment brands? Xu Xin and FZD switching to DHS blades instead of Stiga? I saw LSW switch to a Stiga blade though so maybe that part isn't true
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Anyone knows for certain what setup Dima is using? Those backhands are rocket!

On a second note, the chinese players have undergone some major equipment changes it seems, wonder if it's because their contracts with Stiga has finished or pressure from the higher ups to use DHS products.
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Their contract with Stiga has not finished, actually TODAY they made new photos at the Stiga HQ. They are in Sweden anyway for the Swedish Open.

Dima uses Tenergy 05 on both sides. He claims to use two different blades depending on the ball he has to play with. Ovtcharov True Carbon and Senso Carbon. Some people say it's just a Butterfly ALC blade with a Donic handle.
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Originally posted by jk92 jk92 wrote:

Is there some kind of executive order from China to discontinue outside influences on Table tennis? No more foreign players in Chinese Super league, Pro players to not use foreign table tennis equipment brands? Xu Xin and FZD switching to DHS blades instead of Stiga? I saw LSW switch to a Stiga blade though so maybe that part isn't true

I thought this was weird aswell. They also used Li Ning shoes instead of Mizunos. But LGY played with his Viscaria, I think FZD just wanted to try something new.
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Originally posted by Fabian1890 Fabian1890 wrote:

Their contract with Stiga has not finished, actually TODAY they made new photos at the Stiga HQ. They are in Sweden anyway for the Swedish Open.

Dima uses Tenergy 05 on both sides. He claims to use two different blades depending on the ball he has to play with. Ovtcharov True Carbon and Senso Carbon. Some people say it's just a Butterfly ALC blade with a Donic handle.


Thanks for your input, but any proof of this?
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Originally posted by Fabian1890 Fabian1890 wrote:

Their contract with Stiga has not finished, actually TODAY they made new photos at the Stiga HQ. They are in Sweden anyway for the Swedish Open.

Dima uses Tenergy 05 on both sides. He claims to use two different blades depending on the ball he has to play with. Ovtcharov True Carbon and Senso Carbon. Some people say it's just a Butterfly ALC blade with a Donic handle.

I call bullshit on this. Any proof at all?
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TTD had a thread with a pic showing ZJK playing with T05 on FH...


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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Care to elaborate your point?
Do you think it's smart to learn 1 billion people how things are made ?
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Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

Originally posted by Fabian1890 Fabian1890 wrote:

Their contract with Stiga has not finished, actually TODAY they made new photos at the Stiga HQ. They are in Sweden anyway for the Swedish Open.

Dima uses Tenergy 05 on both sides. He claims to use two different blades depending on the ball he has to play with. Ovtcharov True Carbon and Senso Carbon. Some people say it's just a Butterfly ALC blade with a Donic handle.


I call bullshit on this. Any proof at all?


Yes. Dima wrote that himself on the German TT-news forum.

Ich spiele schon meine ganze Karriere ein Holz mit Senso Griff. Dadurch ist der Schläger mehr kopflastig und ich kriege mehr bogen und Spin in den Ball.   Aktuell spiele ich ein Carbon Holz auf der Basis vom True Carbon. Wenn mit Nittaku Bällen gespielt wird aber mit einem Holz auf der Basis des Ovtcharov Originals.   Ich arbeite aber mit Donic und deren Produzenten intensiv an einem Holz, welches sich auch bei den verschiedenen Bällen in allen Spielsituationen so verhält, wie ich mir das vorstelle. Also sozusagen die Vorteile von beiden Hölzern in einem Holz vereinen. Das ist nicht so einfach, aber ich denke wir sind auf einem ganz guten Weg. Dann muss ich nicht immer hin und her wechseln, sondern bin mit einem Holz voll eingespielt. Dima

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I've been playing a blade with a senso grip all my career. This makes the racket more head-heavy and I get more arc and spin on the ball. Currently I play a carbon blade based on the True Carbon. But when playing with Nittaku balls with a blade based on the original Ovtcharov. But I work intensively with Donic and their producers on a blade, which behaves the same way in all game situations as I imagine it would with the different balls. So, the advantages of both woods can be combined in one wood. It's not that easy, but I think we're on the right track. Then I don't have to change back and forth all the time, but well-practised with one blade. Dima


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Regarding Tenergy:

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/uploads/25649/ovtcharov_blade.jpg
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Originally posted by unstopabl3 unstopabl3 wrote:

Originally posted by Fabian1890 Fabian1890 wrote:

Their contract with Stiga has not finished, actually TODAY they made new photos at the Stiga HQ. They are in Sweden anyway for the Swedish Open.

Dima uses Tenergy 05 on both sides. He claims to use two different blades depending on the ball he has to play with. Ovtcharov True Carbon and Senso Carbon. Some people say it's just a Butterfly ALC blade with a Donic handle.


Thanks for your input, but any proof of this?

I can guarantee that Dima currently (German Open for instance) uses Donic blades. I recently had several of his blades in hands : 7 senso Carbon


Edited by kakapo - 11/15/2017 at 4:35am
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Yeah the two he wrote about, check above.
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Dima is not claiming to be using the commercial versions of his blades, rather he appears to be saying that his customized blades are similar (in some manner) to commercial versions. The only concrete information I can glean from his statement is that he prefers his blade to be head heavy.
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Fact is: Ovtcharov is using around 2 blades:

blade 1 : Butterfly Spirit, ALC ST blade with handle cups of original senso Carbon but with clearly more thicknes- that's why at his handle cups are 2 additional veneers- to get more thickness ! That blade and handle mix you can't buy as one nowhere !

blade 2 : Clipper like blade with handle cups of original Senso Carbon handle cups. This is also nothing off the peg ! Nowhere to buy.

By the way, didn't you see the photos of Ovtcharovs handle ? There exist some photos who can prove that. Nothing new.

As I told before the standard blades and its ST handles from Donic and Butterfly are too thin and small for normal average sized hands or big hands. The standard blades and ST handles are good for small hands ! Thats why the most pf the pro players add more thickness to their handles. Some can reach that by changing their handle cups or wrapping around some grip tape.

Ovtcharov and Boll and Waldner and most of the other players are liars, because they don't want to share their little "secrets" with you and me.

If you have average sized hands or big hands you need to add more thickness to your racket. That's all. Don't believe all the things the liars say. It's up to you.
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Originally posted by richrf richrf wrote:

Dima is not claiming to be using the commercial versions of his blades, rather he appears to be saying that his customized blades are similar (in some manner) to commercial versions. The only concrete information I can glean from his statement is that he prefers his blade to be head heavy.

Thats why he leaves more than 1,5 mm uncut rubber around the head of the blade LOL
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Originally posted by Fabian1890 Fabian1890 wrote:

   Aktuell spiele ich ein Carbon Holz auf der Basis vom True Carbon.

Currently I play a carbon blade based on the True Carbon. 


Certainly what it looks like from the photos I have seen.  And the senso handle is obvious too. 
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Originally posted by ttspirit ttspirit wrote:


Ovtcharov and Boll and Waldner and most of the other players are liars, because they don't want to share their little "secrets" with you and me.



What is Waldner lying about? Does not he use the Donic Waldner Senso Carbon JO Shape?
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He did/does but many people say with a thicker handle.
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Do any of the pros ever actually say in an interview what equipment they are using in matches? I don't believe I've ever come across such a statement anywhere. It has to be very explicit, otherwise too much wiggle room.
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Originally posted by GrayFox GrayFox wrote:

Originally posted by ttspirit ttspirit wrote:


Ovtcharov and Boll and Waldner and most of the other players are liars, because they don't want to share their little "secrets" with you and me.




What is Waldner lying about? Does not he use the Donic Waldner Senso Carbon JO Shape?


waldner played with a faster version of the blade . a senso blade faster a notch at least . the umpires can give info about equipment
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i don't understand the obsession what are they playing with
just play with the blade that you like 
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Originally posted by Purett Purett wrote:

i don't understand the obsession what are they playing with
just play with the blade that you like 


The reasoning goes like this:

1) I wish to study and emulate the play of pro X.

2) I'll use [similar] similar equipment.

Putting aside the solidity of such reasoning, it is exactly this reasoning that pro endorsements depend on. That is why their names appear on the blade.

So there is a little game going on in which all sides, including the customer, are complicit.

As for your suggestion, for the average player, in the U.S. it is difficult finding an appropriate blade with the hundreds of options available. The service representatives I've talked to don't touch the question with a ten foot pole. The good news is that I recently played with a $10 no-name blade and it felt and played better than any of the high priced stuff I've tried out at my club. It had control.

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That's right, but they want to make you believe that they are using commercial material, so that's what I call misleading or supercherie.

Again for all-the top pros don't use blades with that small kind of blades like Donic or Andro. They use at least 157 mm or more. Why ? They need a head heavy blade to have more power in their strokes. And rarely they use the standard handle that we get at the table tennis store.

Why can't you get nearly the same blade like Waldner ? His handle thickness is different, his handle wideness is different, his wings are different and that all makes the diference. So if you want to buy same blade like Waldner uses... not at the store next door.



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