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szikorz
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Violin has a wonderful feel, but for me, Clipper is more precise, what, after al, made me to decide to play with it for now. TBS has good feel too, but the precise ball placement, especially in terms of directional preciseness, in the defensive or passive shots, is the major issue with TBS for me. It kicks sometimes!
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debraj
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szikorz.... i was responding to bluebucket on ball feel that's why i mentioned violin.
your point is different..precision. thick blades are more precise ... because the don't flex and dont change the angle while heating. so when you talk precision.. i would rather ask you to try something like schalegr carbon... or yinhe T8, or iolite or or any other 7mm or thicker blade... and let me know how the precision compares .... leave apart balsa blades... or single ply hinoki...they are different animal. |
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dingyibvs
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I really doubt that kiri core is the most popular. There are probably more Clipper series users than all the Kiri core blade users combined, considering how wildly popular(and affordable) they are in China. Then you add the DHS Hurricane series, the Yasaka Extra series, the Avalox series, and all the rest of the popular Stiga blades(OC, Ebenholtz, Rosewood, etc.), it's almost a certainty that ayous core is more popular, by FAR.
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bluebucket
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Almost every cheap $5-$20 Chinese 5 ply has a kiri core, almost every carbon or composite blade has a kiri core to save some weight, the Nittaku blades also use it. Other than those not much else does. It's a good wood to use when you have other things going on in the blade and the core is no longer so important like with a carbon blade.
When the core counts, like when you are trying to build some kind of exquisite 5 ply, then you better use an Ayous core. I wonder if a major title has ever been won with a non single ply, non carbon blade that wasn't one with an Ayous core? I'd doubt it
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bluebucket: i can't associate blades core to title.... unfortunately... wish i could, how many with kiri, or balsa, or ayous or tung tree or whatever.
dingybits: i meant to say "most of the popular blades" but said most popular blades" which changed the meaning i guess.
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Nexy
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So sorry for not having come here this long. It's not because I stopped working, but because some times I just don't have time to come along. I did not know my last article about Ayous caught this much interests from many people. I definately think we can not simplify one factor to most blades. I know Clipper very well. The interesting thing is not about it's precision, or about it's power. It's about it's spin power. Clipper can exert very spinny shot, specially when you are making "bang impact" top spin shot. I agree with you that it's because of all ayous core structure. But thanks to that, Clipper is a thick blade, which I don't like much. Calix is the thinnest blade ever with such a power as to make most people satisfied with it. I think Calix is a kind of miracle in the blade's history. Nobody can think of anything similiar to it. When I design it, frankly speaking, I did most work by my imagination. But once a sample is done, then it goes to a test period. I stay with it, as long as I have some more things to come up with. I play with it, and think about what will be the reason for what character. And I gather data from people around me, including professional players. Those data lead to another level I can think of. So, then I make some more change in detail. And second blade comes out. Overall, one blade takes up in most cases more than a year. Curretnly, I'm working on CALIX II and Qabod, Amazon and Tubalu. Calix II and Qabod is on Calix's way. Amazonand Tubalu are something new. I will share more information later on. By the way, I have come to the final version of Qabod sample very recently. Please, have a look at this another amzing blade. This is a kinda of the most powerful blade, using that Ayous tech. I hope I can satisfy more people with this speedy version blade. |
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Nexy
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I totally agree with your points. But there are several more I need to add. 1. Calix is around 4.9 ~ 5.0mm thick. I started with 5.5mm, but landed on that thinnest structure. That's why Calix is so different, too. 2. I use Englsih when I explain some about my blades. But English is not my mother tongue, and I try much to make an exact explanation. Still it's not easy. 3. Table tennis blade design is not simliar to perfume desing. As far as I'm concerned, but it's still making me describe many things in the poetic expressions. And I'm pretty sure that you would not write this way, once you get Calix. If you want to argue with me, it's ok. I will reply to your questions, if I think your argues are truly serious. But if you are not sure, I think you'd better open a little more imaginative possibility in all these poetic descriptions. I don't know what else I can speak of all those things. 4. I don't try to catch people's interests with poetic words. What I do is explain what I do. Thank you. But I'm pretty sure you will find something for sure more from Nexy blades.
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Nexy
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Tubalu
I have come close to the final version of Tubalu. Please, have a look on it's composition. It uses one carbon layer, and one more material which dampens the impact of the ball. So, I think this blade will catch lots of long pimplers' interest. It's surface is totally different. One is Ebony wood (on the forehand side) and another one will be Koto, on the back hand side. A B A- something soft, and it will make ball speed less than the usual balls. B - one carbon layer. By the way, with these new blades, Amazon and Tubalu, I wanted to let people think more about environment. I hope people will check more internet informations about dissapearing island Tubalu. Edited by Nexy - 04/11/2012 at 9:30pm |
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Nexy
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This is a good example of too much simplified judgement. Koto is good, because it has durability and good control, but only when it's used very thin. If Koto is thick, then it will add too much weight and dull feeling onto the blade in the whole. But when I compare Koto against Limba, I think Limba has also very good features in many ways, as a suface wood. Limba embraces the ball deep, and makes good spin. It gives good feeling, too. There are also alot more different kinds of good materials for surface. Rosewood, Ebony, White ash, Japanese Hinoki, American Hinoki, Walnut....and so on. Each material has it's own character. It's also the same for all those second plies and core plies. Simplification is the last word we can apply for blade design. The actual character and function of each ply and of the whole blade depend on thickness, compostion, materials' quality, weight, whether it is colored or not, whether it is burnt or not........and so many on. Any way, your simplified idea was interesting. Edited by Nexy - 04/09/2012 at 9:32pm |
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Nexy
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You have good points. I want to add some more information. Kiri is light but still firm. So, when you want to insert carbon material, Kiri is good, because it diminishes weight. But Kiri is also good, because it is cheap and easy to work with. Kiri is wide enough to make a blade without jointing. Any way, I use Kiri for several blades' core, but I think Kiri is not the answer for all the blades. Ayous is good material. But as I wrote, Ayous has a flexible feeling. When you play with it, it feels that it scatters the power. So, you need to design it with exquisite composition with other woods. If you use only Ayous without detailed care, the blade will be very dull. We can see the result in many blades. Yes, we can apply this to kiri, too. It has to be designed to be located in the optimum position, with optimum thickness. If not, Kiri is very unattractive material only. I'm surprised to know that there are so many simplified knowledge about blade design. Some are good, but some are not correct. Any way, overall, you were correct.
Edited by Nexy - 04/09/2012 at 9:43pm |
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arg0
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I'm not an expert, but I suppose Ma Long won some big matches while he was still playing with Acoustic, which has a Tung tree core. He apparently also played with Violin, before Acoustic came out. Violin has a Kiri core. |
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arg0
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To all forum members: if you own a Nexy blade, consider joining the NBC (Nexy Blades Clan):
www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=47778 Edited by arg0 - 04/13/2012 at 2:50pm |
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ianworz
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I honestly think you're selling kiri a little short here...if built with careful consideration, a kiri-cored blade (w/o synthetic material) can be pretty darn good...
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Nexy
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Thank you for your opinion. But frankly speaking, I did not say much about the core material. Ayous was the main topic, but it was not compared with other wood, and the given role was for the layer below the surface wood. And I know what is Kiri's strength. I'm using it for Calix, Calix 2 and Qabod. By the way, finding a new wood instead of Kiri for most other Nexy's blades was not easy task. And I think the new core wood is good. But I can not say it's better than kiri. Each wood has it's own character and uniqueness.
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ianworz
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Sorry Nexy, that was directed more towards blue bucket, I know you're more than capable of designing excellent blades.
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Nexy
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Dear Friend, Sorry, but I could not unerstand what you mean by "blue bucket". Could you explain it with more information? |
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Nexy
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Below is the Amazon's official explanation in nexy.com It will be posted soon in the site. I will update this page with pictures later. Amazon This is the forest we need to protect. And this is the utmost natualization of a carbon blade. Concerning Amazon, Nexy tried two folded challenges. One is to maximize the effect of Ayous used beneath the surface wood, by which you can feel how deep the Ayous layer can embrace the ball in itself. Not like Calix, it's not that thin, rather thicker we can say, hence it's basic character is focusing on accepting the ball deep. But thick and burnt Ayous does not stay there only embracing. It responds to the ball with big power. That's the effect of Ayous used for the second layer. It's twice thicker than Lissom and Calix, so you can imagine how big the power it may have. But still very light, due to the burning process done only for this layer. The second challenge will be about how much natural wooden feeling a carbon blade can have. Amazon must have a natural feeling over the whole, if Nexy wants people to think of the value of forest, in other word, nature. Yes, we can make it with designing beautiful forest on it with ease, but not easy to complete it with it's character and function. So, lots of weeks were dedicated for this study, how to maximize natural wooden feeling. Now the final one has very prompt wooden feeling over the whole body, and you will feel it whenever you embrace the ball with it. This can be categorized from ALL + to OFF -. But this kind of traditional categorization is against Nexy's idea about blade design. Specially this Amazon is not easy to tell. It has very soft and sophisticated short blocking, and also powerful surprising top spin in the same time. This is not a perfect blade. Rather this can appeal for only 1% players, who dare to experience something eccentric. It's character is not trustworthy. This is we can see from those girls who are called coquets. It never answers with steadfast trust. So, we can safely say that this is not the blade Nexy wanted to make. But it was born, after so many weeks of study and experiments, and it has it's sure own value. Yes, this is it. Now you are to grab it and feel it, and judge how peculiar it is. Meet "AMAZON" in nexy.com. Edited by Nexy - 04/23/2012 at 12:11am |
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arg0
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He was referring to this post by member "bluebucket": http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35293&PID=598115&title=nexy-designers-diary#598115 Edit: typo Edited by arg0 - 04/23/2012 at 2:11am |
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arg0
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Regarding Amazon.
I saw the pictures on nexy.com. The design is surprisingly simple and yet beautiful. Yet, I fear that some of the statements used in its advertising, namely "This is not a perfect blade. Rather this can appeal for only 1% players [...] It's character is not trustworthy. [...] this is not the blade Nexy wanted to make" could be counter-productive. It will be difficult to convince someone to spend $120 on a blade that did not fulfill its design goals and does not appeal to 99% of the players. Yet, praise to Nexy for being honest about it: I hope more than 1% of players will find in Amazon the blade they were looking for. |
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Nexy
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But I have to admit that there is no other blade similiar to this one. Feeling and character, the actual functions are all new. Totally different from all blades ever existed. It has surprising power and good vibration. But I can not say that these are the general feature we can find from usual blades. Any way, I'm now totally into this blade. I play with it, and I find it more attractive day by day. The article shows my confession that this blade is not something you could ever expirienced, but that does not inevitably say that it's not good. Still, I think this blade is not easy to compare with any other ones, so the market will be smaller than other nexy blades. By the way, thank you for the tip and nice comments.
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Tobhik
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I am interested in Tuvalu. Could you give more explanation on the character and your basis design.
I have tried some DIY blades using a "cushion layer" to reduce the speed and to add control for LP rubber. However, I always find that when the blade is slow enough because of the cushion/dampening layer then the control is gone for soft touch on the table. Will this Tuvalu available in big size ? What type of LP player will be happy with Tuvalu? When this Tuvalu will be available? Are there any forum member has tested this ? Would like to know the speed comparison against other blades like Tachi or cayman or bty def alpha. cheers Tobhik Edited by Tobhik - 04/24/2012 at 4:47am |
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Nexy
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Tubalu will be very new blade, among ever experimented. It is new, because new material is given, and also it uses very new constitution. Carbon layer will be supporting the fore hand side, and the new material will be departing the effect of the carbon layer on the back hand side. Any way, it's not easy to predict how much the effect will catch people's interest. Nobody tested this blade in this forum. And it seems that maybe in the middle of June, the blade will be out in the market. New information will be followed up in this thread later. Edited by Nexy - 04/28/2012 at 3:30am |
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arg0
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I'm looking forward to reading the first test review of amazon.
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Jolan
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I don't know for the blade itself, but yes, the advertising is surely the most unconventional we've ever seen... We usually have : "the most extraordinary blade ever made, you can miss the ball, perfect control, unsurpassed speed, blablabla..." What is for sure is that Nexy always surprises us. He does things (blades, and now, adverts) that have never been done before...and that's why I like him so much. Thumbs up ! |
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ejmaster
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Hope someday Nexy makes the 'spear carbon'. Keeping the present Spear with its building and thickness 6,2-6,3 and adding 2 carbon layers. This is the Nexy monster blade to be made.
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szikorz
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I wonder of the Calix II upgrade - could you please provide a brief info on the improvement, in what aspects will Calix II be different from Calix?
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Nexy
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Good suggestion. I agree with your idea. I will test it later on. |
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Nexy
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In Korean market, it was a really hot issue. Calix was a big hit product, and people was crazy about that blade. But as for me, I thought Calix will not be satisfying most people, because people are people. But I was quite sure that there will be some people who will be touched by Calix. Calix is thin. It is only 4.9mm. So, it has very good control and short return, when you try to block the powerfel shot from your opponent. But it's also extermely powerful, considering it's thinness, when you try to make a powerful shot. It was possible, due to the compresssion and burning process. And also by the effect of Ayous layer used in the second layer. Anyway, it was really awesome to read people's amazements in Korean community sites about Calix. I was right about it. Any way, when I finished Calix, I knew that I would start to make Calix II. It is thicker, and more general in many ways. Better power, and also better feeling. I wrote that most people will choose CalixII, if they are really players, and some Korean people who were crazy about Calix got uncomfortable. Because with that comment, I was betraying their zeal for Calix. But as a blade designer, I was not sure that I could make something more than a calix when I started CalixII design, so that was the outcome from the real joy when I knew that I coul exceed Calix with my CalixII. It will come out in the market maybe within a month. |
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This is Amazon.
Edited by Nexy - 05/02/2012 at 2:45am |
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This is Amazing! |
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