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Complete Donic Coppa JO Gold X1 review - results |
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debraj
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Posted: 08/31/2010 at 4:19am |
I received this rubber from Mytabletennis.net forum testing of donic rubbers, and will review it here. But before review, here's a snippet .... they say "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" ...just like "Proof of a good rubber is in winning" ... so here's a link to what happened tonight at club. here's the link : http://pong.qfwfq.org/sacrec/rr/248 i had NEVER EVER beaten the top 2 players in the club. setup used: YinHe V-1, FH: Donic Acuda S1, BH: Donic Coppa JO Gold X1
Edited by debraj - 09/06/2010 at 4:03am |
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debraj
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Okay here's the review I received the Donic Coppa JO Gold X1 rubber from mytabletennis.net for forum testing.I didn't have much expectation out of it, but let's see what happened... Set-up: Blade: YinHe Venus 1, blade with some kind of soft carbon composite layers and thick KISO Hinoki outer plies (82 gms) FH: Donic Acuda S1 - max BH: Donic Coppa JO Gold X1 Glue: Tearmender + 30% H2O Donic Coppa JO Gold S1 TOP TO BOTTOM: BFY TENERGY 05, ANDRO HEXER, DONIC ACUDA, (V-1 BLADE), GOLD S1 Physical Properties The red translucent topsheet as a matt finish, but still has a shine on it (unlike hexer); suggesting still significant percentage of artificial rubber, but may be less that roxon generation. Expectedly its not tacky. A white Type 2 ESN sponge (type 1: large pores like hexer, type 2 : medium pores like hexer+, type 3: very small more like roxons) The sponge is mid-soft, feels like 42.5 on ESN scale. Pip density is medium, less than Acuda. Throw Angle: I feel throw angle for rubbers has agraph similar to internal combustion engine's torque delivery x speed graph. if speed is on x axis THis shows the sponge effect on throw angle in loops. For rubbers throw angle keeps increasing initially with speed, till it bottoms out and then suddenly drops nd stay constant. Coppa Gold X1, due to softer sponge has high throw angle at low speed range, and also bottoms out earlier than hexer or acuda. So it is easy to loops serves (low impact speed), but not easy to counter loop ... you will have to open the face and use that with upward movement or just block with power. Spinniness: Expectedly the soft rubbers are less spinny on power strokes, while in slow strokes are spinny. However i think this generation tensors are little spinnier thanks to a little improved topsheet grip. For first 3 days i could easily generate the same amount of spin as a tenergy on serves and underspin pushes, without looking obvious. After that it settled for a tensor level grip. Service: I depend on my serves a lot and i love winning service points even while playing 2000+ level players. [the flip side of that is when i put so much emphasis to make camouflage my serves, i end up 1 or 2 serve misses per game]. While we talk of tenergy being good for service, we didn't realize with tenergy's speed we need to be more cautious in the hand jerk while serving. With cjx1 i was able to use a faster stroke, imparting more spin in serve. very deceptive amount of spin. 10/10 Serve Return: The topsheet like most ESn topsheets is quite insensitive to incoming spin.... and lets you play any shot you want, push, deep underspin push, flick, or loop (thanks to soft sponge). Push The rubber is pusher's heaven... it pushes consistantly and easily, but not necessarily easy for your opponent if you vary spin. I had a few long boring push-push mind-game with a higher level player... and while his pushes all had same spin, i was able to vary spin.. and get pop-ups and nets out of his reactive tenergy 05. Flip: With low spin topsheet its easy to flip or flick the short balls...however while retuning longer serves, there is some directional instability. Block Awesome blocking rubber. i haven't seen any rubber that can block so well other than long pips. however passive blocks mostly... active blocks creates some directional instability. i try to twist my blade at last moment to place the blocks at different places on the table. but i kept missing the spot with cjx1.... so while blocking is more secure (you wont miss a point)... you end up losing some ground on block placement. Opening Loops: Opening loops 'were' a breeze... it 'gave' a kind of safe feeling while opening for first 2 weeks. after that it still opens well, but not as good as earlier. the rubber being on slower side, its easy to use forward movement and use the sponge for looping, and still not losing the table. Counters: You almost cannot counter...or rather i cannot counter with this rubber, i can block or i can hit, but not counterloop with any bit of respect. The soft sponge bottoms out, and gives a flat trajectory. i think once you used to that you can actually hit more balls than loop... which would be great.. because i won lot of point just like that. the vicious flat trajectory on counterhitting was almost impossible to deal with for my opponent. or of course you can block :) Chop: I don't but anyone can with this rubber. Durability: Hmmm... 2 weeks and already it shows signs fo loss of surface grip. the rubber is not fragile at all... if you hit it in the corner it will survive... but definitely the surface does lose grip with time. I will give this rubber a few more weeks to see if there is any major change... but definitely in first 2 weeks i was in heaven with this rubber on my BH... liteally doing anything i want to and punishing my opponents including 1900-2100 players Edited by debraj - 09/06/2010 at 3:59am |
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debraj
beating a person higher than you, although great wins for you. Is not indicative of anything to include rubber being better/worse than prior setup. Now if you do it CONSISTANTLY every single time. Then and only then we can conclude that the rubber did infact improve your game. But that is all we can conclude.
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JimT
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So you also used it on BH, same as I did with X1 Platin. I mean, I played with it on FH as well but I liked it more on BH because on forehand I need more spin and power on long loops.
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best review I have ever seen.
nice win Debraj, I hope you can win many more mathes with this rubber.
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debraj
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guys thnks for your comments and questions. of course this is not a review yet... just a teaser :)
but yes it is a true teaser. yesterday while on my second session with Gold, i was completely in control of the games. and that shows in not just one freaky win but 2... and those guys; as mentioned in another post by others... are 'way underrated in club than usatt'. Coppa Jo Gold was not winning to many 'power points' for me... take my 'word' but it 'excel's in letting you completely ignore the incoming spin.. and place the ball anywhere on the table with moderate spin and anything from slow to medium speed. i was winning points with acuda s1. but i was getting control of those rallies by Coppa JO Gold x1. its softer sponge than what i like to play with...prolly slightly softer than xiom vega europe.
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Debraj, I am anxious to wait for your review on the X1 gold.
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debraj, kindly give us your initial impressions of the rubber. thanks
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+1... My atf rubber is Donic Coppa Gold and I was told that X1 Gold should be an upgrade of Coppa Gold. |
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chris.b40
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is it possible that with all your practice you are now coming into a rich vein of form ,but you are crediting the rubber for it,give yourself some credit and have fun. BTW: I am interested in your review as well.
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mexicano92
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i either have this rubber (coppa x1 gold) in the beginning.. i like very much but the durability is very low .. i have one month training with this 4 or 5 hours per day .. and the rubber is very worn
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Ginko Tai Kim
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How is it compared to S1? |
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debraj
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photos posted...review still WIP.
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Baal
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I disagree with Debraj estimation of Acuda S1 throw angle relative to Hexer. Hexer threw substantially higher and spinnier than Acuda S1 on my blade.
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debraj
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you are absolutely right Baal. if you see the graph there are many zones where hexer is higher throw... however hexer sponge being softer... at some point (speed of impact) it bottoms out.. but acuda keeps going up even after that, with its harder sponge.
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Yes, Isee that now. Thanks. I agree. |
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chris.b40
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IMO the plain donic coppa outperforms these newer copper series rubbers hands down.
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debraj
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review completed
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Bring it on.
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@debraj, it is a great review and i totally agree with the graph you have presented ; I have been using Coppa X1 gold for a few days and everything you posted seem pretty close to how i feel on slower speeds and it's countering ability with exceptional blocks but was kinda intrigued by your statement on durablity and was curious to know your stand ? Is there a way you could recall how long did the top sheet grip last having it as back hand rubber ?
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