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Imago
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Red T05 max @ 10 hours play vs. red M2 max 37 d @ 6 months play Characteristic T05 M2 Physical appearance 7/10 9/10 Weight heavy medium Tackiness 3/10 2/10 Grip/biting 9/10 9/10 Durability 5/10 9/10
Sponge after 5 regluings 8/10 10/10 Bounce 7/10 9/10 Speed 8/10 9/10
Power 8/10 9/10 Control 8/10 7/10 Looping 8/10 9/10 Topspin brush 9/10 7/10 Topspin drive 9/10 8/10 Blocking topspin 10/10 8/10 Smashing 8/10 10/10 Pushing 9/10 9/10 Flicks 10/10 8/10 Service 9/10 8/10 Punch 8/10 9/10 Chop 8/10 7/10 Backhand kills 10/10 8/10 Placement 10/10 9/10 Consistency 9/10 9/10 Throw 6/10 8/10 Gears 8/10 9/10 Blade independance 7/10 10/10
Price 64 4 Edited by Imago - 02/17/2011 at 3:14am |
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debraj
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@imago: 10/10
Edited by debraj - 02/16/2011 at 7:35pm |
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sweetstrike
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Thanks for your very in depth review. I found some points a little shocking as I currently use T05 and have M2 on order. Tackiness on M2 is lower yet throw is higher? I find that hard to believe. I would say T05 is 0/10 on tackiness. Also you reglued your T05 5 times with VOC glue? When you say M2 has more gears, is it at the low end or top end?
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Klaus123
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Imago: what is about speed? The most important criteria is missing in your matrix! As well as dynamics, speed glue effect, power …?
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Jonan
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I don't know if speed is THE most important criteria, also "bounce" might give a hint at that, also I don't think tension sponge rubbers have speed glue effects...totally different animal.
Edited by Jonan - 02/16/2011 at 9:30pm |
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pnachtwey
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The comparison between M2 and T05 doesn't make sense. There is only the COR as a function of relative impact speed in the normal and tangential direction. All this other stuff is non sense.
M2 does look good though and the price/performance looks good.
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kelvinyoong
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Throw of M2 is higher then T05???. I better stick M2 on a low throw blade then.
Also how does the M2 sponge react to VOC glue? |
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dual700
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I think what Imago meant here is since T05 has a very high throw and M2 has lower throw, he prefers it that way.
Bounce effect: To me, the bounce is about the same, but I disagree with Imago on gears.
T05 has more gears on high speed, the sponge is more reactive the more I put more power to my swing compared to M2. Hence, for some people, M2 feels more linear.
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Imago
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To some extent, speed is function of bounce, but not always. So
Speed 8/10 9/10
Please also note that M2 is harder than T05, I used a 37 d M2 because 36 are still travelling my way.
Did not use VOC glue, but M2 reacts good to, say, Millennium Chack of BTY which is kind of pre-glue booster. Didn't use any tuning or booster though. The sponge of M2 may crack if removed with force or after strong adhesive glue.
Throw of M2 37 d is higher than T05's, M2 @ 34 might be equal or even lower.
M2 @ 37 has more power when strongly hit, hence more gears in the upper department
Power 8/10 9/10
I do not exclude the possibility of bad consorting terms between Hurricane King and Tenergy 05, so another criterium pops up
Blade independance 7/10 10/10
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P.S. My current rating is 1800 +- 50, I am 56 years old, trained TT as a boy (12-17) as a member of a junior team, then quitted (1971 - 2009) and now back in love. I run a private TT club with 5 tables and robot and occasionalyy coach children and beginners - mainly on sparring terms. Edited by Imago - 02/17/2011 at 3:29am |
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pushchop
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Wow, thx for the detailed analysis, but M2 has higher throw than T05, more speed and less spin? How do you keep ball on table?
Does M2 have any weakness? |
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Imago
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Yes, it is too cheap. |
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jt99sf
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When you say more reactive about the M2 sponge, what density did you use? I just ordered a few 33/34 degree M2's and will test them on my TBS and Photino.
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dual700
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I use 33/34. I should've been more clear. T05's sponge is more reactive, it does what it's advertised hold and shoot, while M2 is just like any other sponges..
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jt99sf
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I can't wait, should be interesting testing.
Thanks!!
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dual700
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Edited by dual700 - 02/17/2011 at 12:27pm |
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pushchop
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Hey dual, I think I remember you tried cj8000 j-sponge 36-38 some time back and weren't too impressed with it. How does M2 33/34 compare to palio 36-38 hardness?
BTW, rofl on the "it's too cheap" comment Imago. |
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dual700
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Hi pushchop, you have good memory!
I am not too impressed with CJ8000 Japanese Sponge 36-38.. It's an ok rubber to me.
CJ8000 JS is very nicely built, the topsheet is very nice, high quality, real smooth and grippy.
M2 OTOH, the build is rather rough.. You can feel the sponge is giving you cheap feeling, the surface of topsheet is a little rough, definitely not as smooth.
CJ8000 has good control, everything lands on the table, but when I ripped FH loop with it, it doesn't have that spin, kick, or dive like M2 does. I thought it was my blade, but I tried it with 3 of my bats, same result.. All around rubber, nothing more, nothing less.
M2, despite it's rough appearance, it has great spin and faster IMO, doesn't have as strong kick or dive on loops like Venus 2, but it does everything well.
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pushchop
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I like the words I'm hearing. Linear. Spinny dives. Grippy. Sounds great for BH.
But is the throw really higher than T05? That actually concerns me for blocking. |
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dual700
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I have used T05/T64 many times and no, M2 is not high throw like them..
Medium high at most.
I use M2 on my bh blocking and opening loops mainly..
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sweetstrike
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What about tackiness of M2 compared to Tenergy?
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pushchop
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So in summary, linear medium throw grippy rubber with great spin and good speed.
I'm sold! Thx guys! |
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pnachtwey
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I agree with pushchop here. You can't have a higher throw angle with more speed and less spin. Impossible. angle=atan(veriticle speed/horizontal speed). The same force that causes the verticle speed also causes spin. If M2 has less spin it will also have less verticle speed. If M2 also has a greater horizontal speed then do the math. M2's throw angle must be lower. I don't see how one can say a rubber has all these attributes list in the table. |
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Klaus123
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Sorry imago, but i really don’t believe you a word. Mercury II faster and more power than Tenergy 05? My dealer says Mercury II is slower than Moon, and Moon is slower than Tenergy 05, i think this is reality.
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jt99sf
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Why doubt if you haven't tried it? It's cheap enough to find out. I'm sure your dealer will be happy to fill your T05 order.
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kelvinyoong
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I just made an order for 4 units of M2 in 33 sponge.
Price is unbelievable. 1 Sriver EL = 4 M2 plus shipping |
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dual700
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+1
For $4/piece, you have almost nothing to lose.
IMO, I take every reviews with grain of salt, after all, we are talking about human perception, which is full of errors most of the time and can't be scientifically proven. Just try it yourself and post your findings.
Galaxy rates Venus 2 faster than Mercury 2, and I think it's otherwise Edited by dual700 - 02/18/2011 at 1:03am |
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Imago
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That's right. Even the slowest M2 is faster than V2. And this is because V2 topsh*t is too hard and its sponge is less reactive. And they - Yinhe - have also lied that V2 is MaxTense. Try Sun or Moon and see for yourself. Different "planets" indeed. For me, V2 is deterioration as compared to V1, while M2 is a revolution as compared to M1.
As for the throw, the problem is in Tenergy, not in M2. Throw is a function of friction and momentum (or angular momentum, to use one term). Friction resolves to spin, momentum - to speed and power, meaning that the impulse generated by M2 is higher than the impulse generated by T05.
Besides, don't forget that Mercury 2 @ 34 is different from Mercury 2 @ 37 degrees. The former has lower throw than T05 - BUT - on different blades. Have no idea what will be the behavior of T05 on an ALL+ blade - and no intention to find out.
Besides, Sun is much slower than M2 - and Sun is said to be faster than Moon! Try them.
P.S. It turned out that Moon 38 is faster than Sun 36. So all depends on hardness and blade used. Edited by Imago - 02/18/2011 at 12:09pm |
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dual700
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Imago, I agree with you. V1 was way better than V2, softer topsheet, it was a joy to play with.
M1 is junk to me, very heavy, very hard topsheet, very sensitive to incoming spin, and super slow. That's why when I bought M2, I didn't have too much expectation..
Sun/Moon are slower?? I have 2 sheets in my box that I saved, hoping to try them after my tourneys next month..
PS: Just saw your post about them lol
Thanks
Edited by dual700 - 02/18/2011 at 12:06pm |
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kelvinyoong
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Great service from ttnpp. Ordered and was shipped the same day. Should get it by next week.
Does the M2 sponge need priming before use? Or will 1 coat of VOC glue on the sponge and blade be good enough. |
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Imago
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No need for boosters or tuners. Plays out of the box.
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