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Palio Thor's & Blades |
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Klaus123
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Posted: 05/10/2012 at 6:52pm |
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My experience: Thor’s played like crap on ~6-7 other blades, but reasonably good on Viscaria Light. Bad however far from the table, but that doesn’t matter much.
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stefashka
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Works exceptionally well on Xiom Zetro Quad. Spin is simply monstrous (the spinniest setup I ever knew so far), speed is great and so is control. I know (from forums and own experience) that XZQ pairs great with most rubbers, but this combination is simply great.
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Darker 7P-2A CP - Dignics 09c, TSP Curl P3α
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msilhanek
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I'm back again. I've bought Stiga OC, it works with Thor's very well. But I'm not using it atm. I had a sheet of (三九)999T rubber at home for some time. I decided to make a bat for trainings with children so I glued that rubber on my unused PG3. That 999T rubber is tacky, rock hard sponge. My first idea was it will be unplayable. I wasn't able to evaluate it after playing with children but I used that bat in a game with guys from the men's team later. It was a coincidence, I just forgot to switch back to my main blade. What a surprise! It rocks... PG3 + 999T 2.2mm on fh and Blitz max on bh has become my main setup. I think I've found a perfect ballance. Fast flexible DHS PG3 blade + slower tacky rubber 999T (if Thor's was 10, I'd rate 999T 7) = perfection. Great spin, good speed. The biggest difference comparing to Thor's is controll, it is easier to play every stroke for me. And the best thing is that 999T costs less than 5 USD. Thank you Seguso for bringing me to PG3!
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My setups: DHS PG3 + (三九)999T 2.2 (fh) + Palio Blitz 42,5° max (bh). Stiga OC + Palio Thor's max (FH) + Palio Blitz 2.0 (bh). Happy with both.
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gatorling
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Just a question , but why Carbon?
I use a Galaxy W6 and it works AMAZINGLY well on this blade (My attacks are fast enough that sometimes I intentionally slow down my attack in fear that a quick block will change the favor back to my opponent). I would think it's carbon brother the Galaxy Woodking would perform just as well. They're availabe at ColesTT. |
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Forehand: Hurricane 3 Provincial #20 sponge
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nathanso
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BBC, SP, LP
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stefashka
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Donic Waldner Senso Carbon? (Ultra Carbon if you want a faster one)
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Darker 7P-2A CP - Dignics 09c, TSP Curl P3α
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akapur
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Try a Juic Stellan Bengtsson Alpha. It's a really good blade and very reasonably priced.
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big_lou
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Any idea which blade would have the following characteristics: 1. As thin as possible. 2. 2X Carbon minimum, 3X preferred. 3. Softer outer plies. 4. Weight less than ~95 grams TIA for any replies!
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big_lou
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Actually, http://www.tabletennisdb.com/ does show a rating for "stiffness" but i am not sure how it was measured or how accurate it is (?) Or are these ratings exclusively obtained by user input/feedback?
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TheRobot99
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Ross Leidy Custom, DHS Hurricane III Neos, Nittaku Nodias
Xiom Fuga, Globe 999 National 39, Nittaku Nodias JOOLA Torre All+, DHS Hurricane II #19 Sponge, Galaxy Moon 38 PTTC VP - 2011-12 |
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GeneralSpecific
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I suggest trying http://www.tabletennisdb.com/
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Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL
Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
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big_lou
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I believe that most TT equipment dealers do not specify the "stiffness" or "flexibility" characteristics of most blades. There are probably other characteristics that are discussed in this and other forums, which are not specified by dealers. What is the best way to get these for each blade? TIA for any replies.
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Imago
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Worked on Hurricane Hao III, didn't work on Acoustic cpen - it just, quite unexpectedly, bottomed out. |
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msilhanek
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Thank you all for your advices. I'm going to get Stiga OC. I'll let you know how it works later.
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My setups: DHS PG3 + (三九)999T 2.2 (fh) + Palio Blitz 42,5° max (bh). Stiga OC + Palio Thor's max (FH) + Palio Blitz 2.0 (bh). Happy with both.
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gatorling
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I'd give H3P a try if I could get a dependable supply of them. I tried an H3Neo for a day and didn't like it, might go back but I've also heard that you really need to boost H3s for them to behave nicely. Honestly, I don't want to spend an hour boosting every week. I just want to play :-). And maybe it's because I came from a European rubber that was MUCh softer (Inspirit Quattro Ultralight) but it took me about 1 month to get used to the Thor's. And only after 11 months do I feel like I really truly know the rubber. Thors are a difficult rubber to use - I think because it has so many gears. The rubber is super dead if you don't put any energy into your shot (so passive blocking isn't good at all - but I get some insane drop shots with this rubber) but is incredibly powerful if you put your body into it. The result is a low throw (lowest throw rubber I've ever used) rubber with LOTS of gears. |
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Forehand: Hurricane 3 Provincial #20 sponge
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seguso
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@msilanek
pg3 is a monster. with tensor rubbers it is unusable for close-to-table looping (timo boll style). unless you are a pro of course :). I think you should definitely try stiga offensive classic and stiga clipper wood and choose what's best for you. the former is faster in loops (both opening loops and power loops) and slower in block, drive and rally. Stiga offensive wood could also work well for you; it is an inbetween. Ignore stiga offensive CR and clipper CR, they are hard, not like koto blades (pg3 and pg2) but almost. |
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IanMcg
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Yasaka Extra is good |
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cotdt
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DHS PG8 or Stiga Allaround NCT
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Nittaku Resound
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msilhanek
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I'm back here again. I've bought Thor's and paired it with DHS Power.G3. I really like Thors on fh, it is an awesome rubbber and I'm keeping it. The only problem I have now is the blade. PG3 is a good blade (I realy like it's feel) but I'd say it is too fast, especially for my bh (using Blitz). I've been thinking about my game for some time and I think I was wrong when was thinking "I need a faster blade to improve my attack". My strokes are getting long now, falling behind the table. I simply need more controll. Switching back to YEO isn't very helpfull, it's different but still too fast. Sometimes you need to change a blade to realise you're doing it wrong (I don't regret buying pg3 anyway).
So my question is - could you suggest me an all wood OFF- or slower OFF blade, working well with Thors and Blitz? I'm a both winged top spin player (I'd say allround attacker), playing from close to mid distance. I'm currently thinking about Avalox P500, Avalox Hado, Stiga Offensive Classic (CR?) + whatever you bring on. Thx in advance! Edited by msilhanek - 04/01/2012 at 5:34pm |
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My setups: DHS PG3 + (三九)999T 2.2 (fh) + Palio Blitz 42,5° max (bh). Stiga OC + Palio Thor's max (FH) + Palio Blitz 2.0 (bh). Happy with both.
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debraj
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Thors works well with "Koto or Walnut top", "Thin" "Carbon or Carbon composite" blades !!
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bibigon
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I've been playing with Thor's on both FH and BH on a W6 shakehand for 5 hours only, didn't like this combo - too unpredictable in middle gears and surprisingly modest in brush looping. H3N provincial is better for me in all departments.
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Viscaria light; BH: Baracuda 2.0; FH: H3NP 38° black
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Winterhearted
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Butterfly Innerforce ZLC CPen
FH: Butterfly Dignics 09c BH: Butterfly Dignics 05 |
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bbkon
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i got one dolphin jhaifu sheet from ttnpp with purple sponge and doesnt match the reviews and coments i ve heard about it, its slow |
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gatorling
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If you want to buy a blade that goes well with Thor then I'd suggest the Yinhe W6. Cole has them for sale and the price isn't too bad ($36 for the blade).
I've been playing with Thor's on both FH and BH on a W6 for almost a year now (11 months to be exact) and I love the rubber and have been happy enough with the blade/rubber combo that I haven't bothered trying to change things up. |
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msilhanek
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Thx. Pg3 is cheap, I'll give it a try. ;) Edited by msilhanek - 03/09/2012 at 11:27am |
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My setups: DHS PG3 + (三九)999T 2.2 (fh) + Palio Blitz 42,5° max (bh). Stiga OC + Palio Thor's max (FH) + Palio Blitz 2.0 (bh). Happy with both.
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seguso
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pg3 is a bit faster than ocr (especially in non-loop shots). pg3 is also much faster than stiga oc, stiga offensive wood nct, and clipper wood. it is slightly slower than an off+ carbon blade such as dawei wavestone or galaxy t2. (actually slower in drive block and smash, faster in opening loops, since pg3 has more flex). I think it is more useful to stress this rule: a flexible blade is fast in opening loop and power loops, and it is slow in block, smash and drive. A stiff blade viceversa: slow in opening loop and power loops, fast in block drive and smash. (other things equal of course. in particular, softness being equal.). So you have to regulate the stiffness based on what you need. PG3 is medium stiffness, so it is good for power loops and opening loops, but is stiff enough for backhand punching. Stiga OC and OCR, otoh, force you to bh loop. Edited by seguso - 03/09/2012 at 3:38am |
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msilhanek
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Thank you. Could you compare pg3's speed to something well known? Because I've found an review of this blade here: http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45849&PID=569477&title=dhs-power-g3#569477 They say YEO is faster then PG3. I don't know, maybe I could try to get a jttaa version of YEO (I've heard it is different - better). What about any really fast carbon blade? Official Butterfly info says that Viscaria, Iolite Neo, Amulart and Photino are fast with a soft feel. But what is that "soft feel" comparing to all wood blade like YEO? Could someone help me with this? |
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My setups: DHS PG3 + (三九)999T 2.2 (fh) + Palio Blitz 42,5° max (bh). Stiga OC + Palio Thor's max (FH) + Palio Blitz 2.0 (bh). Happy with both.
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seguso
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to add to the previous suggestion: for slow loops dhs pg3 is better. OCR is more flexible so it turns all loops into fast loops.
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seguso
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I think you need a fast wooden blade with some flex for loops. I suggest DHS pg3 (some flex) or stiga offensive CR (high flex). |
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msilhanek
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Hi guys, I need an advice. I'm currently using Blitz and YEO (regular non jttaa version). Blitz is a nice rubber but I feel I need a harder and tacky rubber on my fh. I guess Thor's is a good choice but there is a small problem. I've been thinking about it for some time and I still can't decide the blade question. Blitz is a fast rubber but my YEO isn't simply enough fast. It works well, nice controll, ball feeling, I like it really. The only problem is a lack of speed and power in mid distance loops. It's speed is ok close to the table but I simply feel I need a faster blade. I wanna keep Blitz on bh and switch to Thor's on fh (I've heard that Thor's is slower than Blitz and since I'm playing more in mid distance the blade question is more important. More info about my style: mid to close distance variable loop - highly rotated slower loop when opening the game, power loops in an opened game). What would you recommend? I've been thinking about any OFF+ blade but dunno what to choose. Almost all the OFF+ blades are carbon and I have never used a carbon. People say that carbons are stiffer and I'm not sure how it would work with my variable spin oriented game. Thanks for all advices or suggestions.
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My setups: DHS PG3 + (三九)999T 2.2 (fh) + Palio Blitz 42,5° max (bh). Stiga OC + Palio Thor's max (FH) + Palio Blitz 2.0 (bh). Happy with both.
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