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Originally posted by Sallom89 Sallom89 wrote:

Originally posted by rick_ys_ho rick_ys_ho wrote:

Except the penholder grip, RPB is a technique almost the same as handshake backhand, no matter it is about looping or flat hitting using backhand.  You can learn from a good handshake player about power generation and positioning when doing RPB stroke, IMHO.

 NO :S 
I played with a EX Egyptian national team member and he insisted that he can do RPB with SH technique.. I swear that I almost played 10 balls and all of them hit the edge of the blade (center ply).. till he gave up.
 
I did not say that a SH player can play RPB or teach RPB. I didn't mean that, because the grip is very different.
 
OP wants to know how to improve power in RPB stroke and positioning when doing the stroke. The power generation and positioning in RPB is fundamentally the same as SH backhand, that is what I tried to say.
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Originally posted by Krantz Krantz wrote:

My bad that i assumed that you can read since you make impression that you can write. And please dont try to teach anybody showing him (((((your)))) "technique". 

Good luck in future endeavours.


Originally posted by Krantz Krantz wrote:

 I was trying to explain (((((('HOW' I’am doing it.))))))


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when you explain how you are doing it, then it does mean explaining your way and therefore teaching it.. at least English is my second language and I don't brag about it.. 

 Pointless discussion, this obviously won't make me a better player.. so I'll step on it and climb to the next level.
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My bad that i assumed that you can read since you make impression that you can write. And please dont try to teach anybody showing him your "technique". 

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one last note my friend.. on the top level strokes need to be compact so you recover fast, using wrist is obviously faster to recover from.

please use common sense..
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Originally posted by Sallom89 Sallom89 wrote:

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 My wrist was never injured or in pain.. but with RPB doing Krenga's technique your fingers will end up pointing to the ceiling, which 'locks' the shoulder! my coach (shakehander) was trying to teach me RPB with Kenga's technique then normal SH technique, he was giving instructions like you are doing right now.. "with out trying them", but he noticed that this is not the correct way and he ACCEPTED it.

I would suggest that your trainer should immediately send  a proper  note to Wang Hao (this famous Chinese TT player) because he obviously doesn’t realize that he’s continually hurting his body (you can try to find differences between Kreanga and Hao backhand in this video btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoHKvjVO0WY, I’am reffering to Hao’s strokes from 1:20 – and many others too obviously).

It’s a shame that a member of a national team cannot use his backhand properly , but I assure you that I (granted that it is not only after few months of playing with penhold) am doing it without problems – and I was trying to explain HOW I’am doing it.



 WHO ARE YOU?! are you better than Wang Hao? how dare you compare injuries to technique on the top level? ok then.. Ma Long technique is flawed because he got injured, Timo boll, Ma Lin.. who else? the list goes on.. those guys play ALOT, any sport at the highest level can make a player suffer from injury.

 If Wang Hao doesn't use his backhand properly then who does? please cut this silly conversation, it is obvious that you are misleading a guy who is seeking help.. shakehand technique for RPB.. next thing you'll say is very unpredictable I bet.. BTW, I miss seeing you on the top level.Dead

And please show us HOW you are doing it on video, so we can benefit from you.. thanks in advance.
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Originally posted by Sallom89 Sallom89 wrote:

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 My wrist was never injured or in pain.. but with RPB doing Krenga's technique your fingers will end up pointing to the ceiling, which 'locks' the shoulder! my coach (shakehander) was trying to teach me RPB with Kenga's technique then normal SH technique, he was giving instructions like you are doing right now.. "with out trying them", but he noticed that this is not the correct way and he ACCEPTED it.

I would suggest that your trainer should immediately send  a proper  note to Wang Hao (this famous Chinese TT player) because he obviously doesn’t realize that he’s continually hurting his body (you can try to find differences between Kreanga and Hao backhand in this video btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoHKvjVO0WY, I’am reffering to Hao’s strokes from 1:20 – and many others too obviously).

It’s a shame that a member of a national team cannot use his backhand properly , but I assure you that I (granted that it is not only after few months of playing with penhold) am doing it without problems – and I was trying to explain HOW I’am doing it.
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Here is a match video of my self.. not the best technique ever, and I improved since that time.. Also having a harder rubber now, my blocking is better and my looping is more consistent.
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Originally posted by rick_ys_ho rick_ys_ho wrote:

Except the penholder grip, RPB is a technique almost the same as handshake backhand, no matter it is about looping or flat hitting using backhand.  You can learn from a good handshake player about power generation and positioning when doing RPB stroke, IMHO.

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Originally posted by Sallom89 Sallom89 wrote:

Originally posted by Krantz Krantz wrote:

For RPB power shots try to not use your wrist during a stroke – just let the racket follow your hand. It will result in a Kreanga style backhand and, with some additional body weight transfer, it really hits like a truck. (His instructions from this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywG5kmOCfWE pretty much all apply..)

 With penhold it doesn't feel normal.. you may injure your shoulder.. 

Well, I dont claim that it is a "proper" way of a penholder - it just works (and i dont know any better method atm, try it btwWink). It is a fluent stroke overall and you don't stress any muscless or bones any more than in your usual forehand swing. IMO there is a much bigger risk of injuring your wrist if you are using it in a strong rpb shot.. 


 My wrist was never injured or in pain.. but with RPB doing Krenga's technique your fingers will end up pointing to the ceiling, which 'locks' the shoulder! my coach (shakehander) was trying to teach me RPB with Kenga's technique then normal SH technique, he was giving instructions like you are doing right now.. "with out trying them", but he noticed that this is not the correct way and he ACCEPTED it.
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Except the penholder grip, RPB is a technique almost the same as handshake backhand, no matter it is about looping or flat hitting using backhand.  You can learn from a good handshake player about power generation and positioning when doing RPB stroke, IMHO.
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Originally posted by Sallom89 Sallom89 wrote:

Originally posted by Krantz Krantz wrote:

For RPB power shots try to not use your wrist during a stroke – just let the racket follow your hand. It will result in a Kreanga style backhand and, with some additional body weight transfer, it really hits like a truck. (His instructions from this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywG5kmOCfWE pretty much all apply..)

 With penhold it doesn't feel normal.. you may injure your shoulder.. 

Well, I dont claim that it is a "proper" way of a penholder - it just works (and i dont know any better method atm, try it btwWink). It is a fluent stroke overall and you don't stress any muscless or bones any more than in your usual forehand swing. IMO there is a much bigger risk of injuring your wrist if you are using it in a strong rpb shot.. 
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Originally posted by Krantz Krantz wrote:

For RPB power shots try to not use your wrist during a stroke – just let the racket follow your hand. It will result in a Kreanga style backhand and, with some additional body weight transfer, it really hits like a truck. (His instructions from this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywG5kmOCfWE pretty much all apply..)

 With penhold it doesn't feel normal.. you may injure your shoulder.. 
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For RPB power shots try to not use your wrist during a stroke – just let the racket follow your hand. It will result in a Kreanga style backhand and, with some additional body weight transfer, it really hits like a truck. (His instructions from this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywG5kmOCfWE pretty much all apply..)
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I moved to Roundell Hard 2.1, this rubber gave me all I want on RPB.. speed and spin is killer.. obviously Hurricane 2 is hard to play with -.-!
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A non-tacky, Japanese / European style rubber would probably work better for RPB.  It will lighten your set up too.  : )
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Is there any way to improve the RPB power? I recently started playing against people with a higher skill cap and I've found out about a big weakness of mine because I can't seem to generate enough power with my RPB to finish the point, All I can manage to do is produce a very spinny,low arc,medium speed semi-loop kill that my opponents can have a field day with. and flat hitting doesn't work either, its even weaker....
Also, does anyone else have the problem of automatically closing the racket when attempting to loop due to the grip? I've tried opening and closing the racket to suit the opponent's incoming spin but when I have to open the racket, I can't seen to generate enough power with my arm but then I resort to bend my wrist down, resulting in sinking the ball to the net all the times.

And there is the positioning too, what is the best way to position for a RPB'er? I usually stand right in the middle of the left side but I've found out that I can't seem to cover my backhand well in there and I can't do a comfortable RPB loop in there, everytime I have to do a rpb, I have to lean a bit to the right side if my opponent loops it to the far left even though im the middle of the left side. even worse if the incoming loop is very low, I can't seem to hit rpb and 70%of the times I resort to do a traditional block...

Thanks a lot in advance. and sorry about the wall of text.Sleepy
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