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Robert Trudell 
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 Topic: How to return tricky serves - VideoPosted: 12/01/2005 at 4:07am |
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Here's a demonstration of many penhold serves and how to serve them by Binghu Ren: How to return tricky serves - with Binghu Ren and Ping Larsen
(12 Minutes, 91 Mbytes wmv Video) --Rob |
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lucioping
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Posted: 12/02/2005 at 5:10am |
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thank you rob very interesting, can i put this links on my website to help italian ping pong players? i will write very large your copyright
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lucioping
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Posted: 12/02/2005 at 5:17am |
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please which kind of rubbers is the girl using? only pimple in or also a long pimpled? |
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*JC*
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Posted: 12/02/2005 at 5:30am |
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he has 2 tricky serves, and he dosent even give her practise at returning them.
the gentel topspin serve that looks much like a heavy chop serve and his reverse serve are the only decent serves he did. the rest were long rubbish. I will say tho, his topspin that looked like chop would have probally fooled me for the first few times. I was not sure at what time he contacted it... |
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THIS is a knife. Thats not a knife THATS a spoon. |
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TT_Freak
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Posted: 12/02/2005 at 5:48am |
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I think he just tones it down so that she gets practice against serves from players of her own calibre. My father and my coach does it as well, still figuring out how to do that heavy backspin/topspin serve. It seems a lot of the older players have it in their arsenals.
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Robert Trudell
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Posted: 12/02/2005 at 9:38am |
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You are welcome to put the link on your website.
Thanks for asking.
--Rob |
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Robert Trudell
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Posted: 12/02/2005 at 9:54am |
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I don't recall Ping ever using long pimples. She has only used Short Pips and Inverted rubbers that I can remember. --Rob |
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kimei
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Posted: 12/02/2005 at 11:10pm |
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any close-ups of that girl in the video??
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Robert Trudell
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Posted: 12/02/2005 at 11:22pm |
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Recent or at that time (1997-98)? Here are some recent photos -- see Ping Fuschino: http://members.cox.net/ttoutpost/Rob_Trudells_Photos_Chinese_Week6.htm http://tt.mainstreet.net/ttoutpost/Desert_Table_Tennis_Outpost_Photos.htm Here's one from 2000: http://www.fortunecity.com/business/lerner/1484/RedMountain.htm
1998: http://members.aol.com/santapong/mesa_table_tennis_club.html
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mafia
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Posted: 12/03/2005 at 9:50am |
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I just looked at the video, frankly speaking it is not difficult to determine the type of spin of his service, but wheather we can return the ball properly is another story. Anyone able to determine the type of spin from Ma Lin's serve ? |
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ariel winter
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Posted: 12/03/2005 at 10:39am |
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i agree that ma lin's serves are very well hidden - best of all penhold players hands down. his match against maze at the world championships was a serving clinic at times. this enables him to utilize his famous 3rd ball attack. for this reason, ma is one of my most admired players. his disguise of side down and side top spin is incredible.
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kimei
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Posted: 12/03/2005 at 10:50am |
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whoops!! she's kinda old!! but thanks anyway!! |
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kimei
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Posted: 12/03/2005 at 10:54am |
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the only person who can tell you that would be his coach(es) and, i guess, wang liqin, who apparently doesn't have a problem returning them at all... |
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kimei
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Posted: 12/03/2005 at 10:55am |
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the only person who can tell you that would be his coach(es) and, i guess, wang liqin, who apparently doesn't have a problem returning them at all... |
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*JC*
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Posted: 12/03/2005 at 7:08pm |
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ma lins whole game is built around
confusing serve confused return Bang....3rd ball kill |
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TT_Freak
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Posted: 12/04/2005 at 5:17am |
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Thats what people mean when they say that Ma Lin's worst opponents are always his teammates. When you play each other all the time the gap between the levels decrease tremendously. Add to that the fact that the fast attacking game is based around confusing your opponent until you kill the ball and Ma Lin is at a huge disadvantage every time he plays someone he trains with, especially Wang Liqin since they are technically the same level.
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Jimbotbs
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Posted: 12/05/2005 at 8:45am |
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Does anybody know how he makes this topspin serve which looks like a chop serve ? His motions are to quick for me to find it out. |
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Robert Trudell
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Posted: 12/05/2005 at 9:12am |
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Make a little Z motion in the vertical direction while the paddle is moving forward. Contact the ball on the upward portion of the Z. Perhaps a picture would help clarify what I'm trying to say. --Rob |
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Robert Trudell
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Posted: 12/05/2005 at 9:31am |
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Disguised Topspin Service Motion Diagram |
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Robert Trudell
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Posted: 12/05/2005 at 9:36am |
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Its similar to this Topspin Serve:
Topspin Serve. |
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Jimbotbs
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Posted: 12/05/2005 at 12:17pm |
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@ Robert Thank you. You really helped me. I think hitting the ball at the right time is very difficult. I am going to try this in training. |
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lemoncola
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Posted: 12/05/2005 at 6:50pm |
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so tat animation gif is a top spin serve? so he does the "direction of travel" in ur pic to make it look like bakspin? but it looks like not much top spin, more like no spin/lil top spin. he contact the ball in the middle
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Robert Trudell
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Posted: 12/05/2005 at 7:02pm |
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Yes, that is a fairly heavy topspin in the animation gif. --Rob |
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