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Rakza 7 - Compared with Tenergy, NEO |
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debraj
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Rakza 7 - debraj's Review Still unsettled with my FH rubber, and still without a date for release of Vega China, i had been trying different options for upcoming tournament. The rubbers i recently tried for FH are: Globe 999 (sponge PO tuned), globe 999 national (sponge PO tuned), H3 Neo, Thors, Tenergy 05 (light topsheet PO to restore grip), Yinhe Mercury 2, Acuda s1 (light topsheet PO to restore grip), Rakza 7 (light topsheet PO to restore grip). PO=paraffin oil This time i tried all of them on 729 F1, with Thors as BH rubber, and made sure the weight of the set-up is always 178-181gm. I gave each set-up at least 2-3 weeks of club play to adjust. Thors, 999, tenergy, acuda s1, got even more time. I figured for the time being i will stick with the Rakza 7 option. Its a very good rubber for skilled aggressive players who like to dominate spin game, by overpowering opponent's spin. Low impact speed (bounciness) Tenergy 05> palio Thors (used) > Acuda s1> M2> Rakza 7> palio thors (new) > H3 Neo > 999 Nat > 999 High impact speed (power) Acuda s1> Thors = Rakza 7> 999 National > H3 Neo > M2 > 999 Ease of generating spin ( slow strokes) in general tacky rubbers were easy to generate spin by brush, tenergy and rakza 7 was easy to generate spin by brush and sponge, and acuda and m2 needed sponge to generate spin Intensity of Spin Uptill slow / medium stokes T05 generated more spin than anybody in group, followed by THors, rakza, h3 NEo, 999Nat , m2. On high speed strokes spin rating was Thors>999 national, rakza 7, acuda s1> h3Neo/999. Short game suitability: in reverse order of bounciness serves: inferior to the tacky rubbers, but better than the grippy ones... same range as tenergy. serve return: Amazing easy for a rubber with such high surface grip. Pushes:better than Tenergy due to harder sponge, the ball keeps low. greater accuracy in placing the ball, and much much much better drop shots than tenergy. of course H3Neo or 999 are even better than rakza on this. Loops: Tenergy 05 has a marginal advantage on lifting low balls, not something that you can't adjust to. But Rakza 7 is SPINNIER (yes you are hearing it right) than T05 on faster loops and loop drives. I constantly found my partner having trouble blocking the rakza powerloops, and tenergy slow loops. in powerloops tenergy bottoms out, and doesn't provide that much spin, as Rakza. in slow loops tenergy allows for slower hand movement, and hence easier to play with. In loop-loop rallies, while tenergy is very good, rakza provide much more power and is almost as forgiving as tenergy 05. It is way more forgiving than H3NEo or 999T national, and don't talk about thors.. it's not at all forgiving in loop-loop rally. Opening Loops: surprisingly I find it easier to open loops with Rakza over the table, the sponge being hard it provides a more predictable trajectory in greater number of shots. Tenergy is also good in this department, but Rakza is almost close to 999 National and H3 NEo in this department. Drives and flat hits: Rakza being much faster than Tenergy excells in these 2 departments. it is very easy to put away balls that bounceabove the net by driving or hitting flat. compared to Tenergy 05 rakza feels like cheating when hitting. the only rubber which provides that kind of comfort in hits is Acuda s1... all others are inferior. Blocks: Rakza is superior to Tenergy 05... but so is any rubber.I would day tenergy and Palio thors are sometimes a little challenge on out-of -position blocks... and all others mentioned here are very good. Proximity to table: rakza 7 opens loop well close to table, but it will force you to take a step back and counterloop from mid distance. H3 NEO and Tenergy are very versatile here, while 999T national has very low through which creates a little problem at times. Decisive speed-spin on loop kill / drives: in order of decisiveness Palio Thors > 999 National > Rakza 7 = Tenergy 25 > Acuda s1> Tenergy 05 > H3 Neo> 999 Nothing compares with Thors in delivering the lethal blow when opportunity is right, but Rakza and Tenergy 25 are close. yes i managed to beat some good players recently and planning to sty with Rakza 7 till Nov. However i also should mention, i was thoroughly unimpressed with Rakza 7 when i first played with it. it had some non-linearity... but now that's gone... and it looks like a durable rubber to me. i will have to find that post and change it. Those looking for Tenergy substitute, there's no substitute.. but Rakza 7 can perform everything what you expect from tenergy, more or less as proficiently.. sometimes even better. Edited by debraj - 07/22/2011 at 5:39pm |
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Thanks for the review.
I've played Rakza7 only a few hours and was impressed by its spin abilities. I sold it because I found it a little too springy. In retrospect I guess that I've played the rubber on the wrong blade (Hinotec Off-, very bouncy) and gave him not enough time to prove itself. |
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zzz... i did the same thing with rakza 7, and had been very unfair to it. i had tested it on a fast thick blade, and without giving it time to break in. so no wonder i found it non-linear earlier...now i don't find any non-linearity.
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Would you say this is bouncier than Xiom Vega Euro?
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most reviews i heard said tenergy was faster than rakza, by maybe a little bit. did you compare on the same blades?
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Hey debraj, nice review. Rakza7 is indeed a very good rubber.
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Damn, I've sold about new Rakza two days ago. I should cancel a deal and thus lose my reputation forever. But reading this review, the rubber does worth it :)
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If you put any of the modern tensors on a slow blade and T05 on the same slow blade you can see that the tensors are faster. Most people use T05 on one of the Butterfly composite blade which are very fast blades and "too" fast a blade for most tensors. The tensors are fantastic on slower blades with flex and a medium or hard outerply
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mon22:
no. xve is bouncier on slow shots. |
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idk:
yes tested on same blade... and ensured that the set up has same weight. r7 is very distinctly, noticeably faster than t05. i'm positive... |
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just ordered a red one.. hopefully its not less grippy than the black. anybody any experience?
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how much is rakza 7 compared to tenergy 05? rakza 7 is yasaka right?
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Yes it is yasaka. Price is 44$ compared to tenergy's 73.
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I think Rakza 7 is a deal compared to T05 but Rakza 7 isn't as spinny as T05. Right now I have a Samsonov Alpha with Rakza 7 1.8 mm and 802-40 1.8mm and a TBS with T05 and 802-40 1.8mm.
I see little difference in blocking or speed. The short game is definitely better with the 1.8mm Rakza 7 for me which is why I play mostly with the Rakza 7 1.8mm. I don't think Rakza 7 is better than T05. Rakza 7 is simply better for me and the way I play now. I am not a big looper. Basically I block and flat hit and play the short game. Looping is something I do once or maybe twice a rally. Soon I will mount one of the othe Rakza 7 soft rubbers I have on one of my other Samsonov Alpha paddles for a better comparison.
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T05 feels crisp when driving the ball. Rakza 7 feels a bit more directional with a sense of controlled flight. Both are great rubbers. I believe Yasaka was struggling with it's sales of Mark V HPS so Rakza 7 to the rescue. And of course the quality of the topsheet is supreme. Rakza 7 1.8 is the perfect thickness.
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How is Rakza compared to Blit'z?
I'm especially interested in spin and hardness. Also, does it bottom out in 2.0? Thanks. |
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debraj
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no rubber is as spinny as tenergy in mid range.
but as you loop faster, tenergy bottoms out and the trajectory flattens. the spin doesn't increase any more. with h3 Neo, Rakza, 999T and other high grip hard sponged rubbers, it keeps on giving and spin keeps on increasing. this is my opinion. on whether rakza will bottom out... probably eventually, but not very easily. blitz is spin deficient... even though its more than PME 42.5... and close to pme 47.5. also blitz topsheet drys out after a while, and the throw angle flattens. rakza topsheet is more durable. blitz feels better.. like all thin elastic topsheets made with very low natural rubber content. rakza seems more pro rubber than blitz. less feeling, more teeth, more stability and linearity... and also much more spin. |
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Good for backhand? :)
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@debraj,
great review! What will be an ideal blade to utilize all the qualities of Yasaka Rakza-7 i-e (ALL+, OFF-, OFF) |
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My Rakza 7 1.8mm that I have currently on my FH bottoms out when I flat hit. When I loop and contact the ball at 45 degrees the Rakza 7 1.8mm doesn't bottom out. Think about it. When the paddle is angled the path of the ball does NOT directly compress the rubber The rubber is effectively 1.4 times, or the 1/cos(45 deg), thicker because the rubber is compressed at an angle. A lot of the balls energy stretches the rubber across the paddle and when that rubber springs back it adds extra spin to the ball. However, Rakza 7 1.8mm doesn't have as much of this spring action like T05 does.
Rakza 7 works well on my Samsonov Alpha which is ALL+. I have excellent control and as much speed as I need for my short game.
1.8mm Rakza 7 is good for BH. I haven't tried it in a game but I have turned my paddle over and used my FH rubber on my BH against a robot and it works well. I don't see why not as I am using Rakza 7 1.8mm on my FH now. It is definitely fast enough and very controllable. My opponents tell me that the loops I hit with T05 jump out at them noticeably more that with the Rakza 7 or the SST Pro Team that I also use. I can see it in their reactions too. I said before that I don't loop much but I do like to heavy loop an occasional ball with lots of top spin just to spin the ball high off the opponents paddle. I do this to back them up. I can accomplish this much EASIER with T05. I can still do it with Rakza or SST Pro Team but it takes more effort. Rakza is good but I don't think it is as good a deal as Red Diamond. I haven't done a serious comparison with my H2 Neo or one of my other FH favorites, Apollo, yet either. I have only compared H2 Neo to Mark V and I think H2 Neo is better than Mark V. I do believe Rakza 7 is worth the difference in price between it and Mark V. I think that Rakza 7 1.8mm or Rakza 7 soft 1.8mm should be put on the list of beginners rubbers too because it is so easy to control and is still a high performance rubber. I have 3 Rakza 7 sheets now and it will be a while before I wear these out. Is Rakza 7 worth 3 Red Diamond sheets or 3 802-40s? I doubt I will buy another sheet of Rakza 7. |
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can't answer!! people uses there BH differently. some top players use tenergy 05 others use bryce speed others short pips.. all completely different in grip and sponge hardness.... because they expect different things from it. for me palio thors allows me to open slow over-the-table loops even more easily than rakza 7... so its better there... but if i wanted to focus on counterlooping on BH, i would have selected rakza 7. also thors, with tacky topsheet, serves better than rakza... and i need good serves on BH. thors doesn't block as good as rakza, ... which i miss on my BH, but adjusted to it by now. |
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ttennis1: thanks that you liked it. i played rakza only on 729 F-1, which is off- carbon blade with some flex, good power, and very hard outer ply. rakza being a hard sponged rubber, you definitely need very hard outer ply.. and some amount of flex in the blade. once these 2 criteria are met, you can play around with the speed of the blades based one what speed you are comfortable with.
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Today I played with my two SP paddles, one with Rakza 7 1.8mm and the other with T05. The T05 definitely generated more spin on the serve. I like to do spinny serves that curve across the pocket area. The T05 was definitely harder for my opponent to deal with.
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you are always comparing rakza 7 1.8 with t05 max, i guess. that's not a good appple to apple. but then even max T05 generates slightly more spin than rakza 7 in serves. but it is also more challenge to keep the ball short, and spin deception is less in T05 due to the soft jumpy sponge. with high level players i figured high spin serve is useless. deceptive and short serves are more effective. i'm having my career best game now with rakza 7 FH.. but then 729 F-1 has lot of contributions too.
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debraj, how similarly does Rakza 7 play to Moon or Tenergy 05? (Mostly Moon, though.)
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That is what I have mounted now so I can test the two at the same time. When serving the ball doesn't dig that far into the sponge. I use a slow spinny Tomahawk serve to curve the ball from my right to left across the pocket. My stroke brushes the ball more than hit it for max spin. I should also note that my T05 is from Feb 2010. I will remount my Rakza 7 Soft Max on my other Samsonov Alpha for a loop comparison.
That is why I still have Rakza 7 1.8mm on my main paddle |
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i meant it is a challenge to keep the ball short with T05... not rakza 7. rakza with harder sponge, is more well behaved in short game and serves.
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I am so happy with rakza that i keep coming back and posting update to this thread.
yesterday i played a guys with whom i have pretty much 50-50 win loss ratio.. he plays with T05 and t64 on different blades... recently he had been stable with TBS for a while. he is one of the strongest loopers, and being a lefty.. he manages weird angle on his loops and devastating power-spin. i played a few days back with T05+F1+Thor's and i lost.. because i couldn't keep my serve returns short enough... with deception (where i show as if i am gonna loop, so he takes a step back and then i just do a drop shot). with rakza 7... he was just dancing to my tune. after a 3-0 loss he challenged me again.. and guess what. 3-0 again.. and he gave up.. and started inspecting my paddle. the same night.. i also beat 2 other higher rated players pretty easy 3-1, 3-1, devastated a 1900+ long piper 3-0 (10-9, 10-5, 10-2) and then lost to a short pip-er (my permanent problem) ... i'm definitely gonna improve my rating in the club and upcoming sac open tourney. just received my second rakza for the spare set-up. wow i didn't know a esn rubber (other than thors) can hold its grip so well. acuda s1, s2 players, tenergy 64 players, and particularly BW2 players will gain most by switching to Rakza 7. It is just an improved BW2, with higher speed, better hold, and comparable spin and throw angle. |
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howbis Rakza compared to Vega Pro?
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rakza 7 against vega pro
- more durable topsheet.. more natural rubber feeling, - less springy in short game (although even vega pro is reasonably well behaved) - slightly less feel due to harder sponge (still nice feeling) - has one more extra upper gear where the sponge still continues giving ...when vega pro stops. Rakza is better compared with Acuda s1 than vega pro from sponge hardness, except that the topsheet is grippier thn acuda s1. read petermoo's comparative review thread between acuda s1 and vega pro... and imagine little higher grip ... you will get the idea. |
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