Zhang Jike loop.

thx

Those are some huge legs! To the "Hamtractor."

He lowered his bat to about 6 inches off the floor in a couple of those loops.

that‘s for chopper。。。little differ as normal

beastly, my friend is a chopper and whenever we train together, my friends tell me I don't bend my left leg enough when looping (I'm lefty) you gotta get low!

The ball never drops when ZJ is looping, this is a good innovation!

Fatt I think Wei and Diego are married!  A TT couple

bbkon wrote: fatt wrote: chronos wrote: ... The ball never drops when ZJ is looping ... I don't understand (not dropping where, when?) the technique for playing against LP  is hitting at the top of the bounce

Crazy... I just noticed that, with the exception of one shot, ZJK dips in almost perfect synchrony with every incoming ball.

As the ball drops, so does he. As soon as it hits the table, he initiates the shot by driving with the legs.

If that's pretty typical then it seems that it would be a good, simple coaching tool.

Tell your students: Bounce with the ball!

When powerlooping underspin with a larger forward component in the swing, it's essential to hit around the apex of the bounce (very shortly before, at, or very shortly after), otherwise the ball will go into the net due to the lower trajectory. ZJK hits a powerloop @ 0:53 in the video.

In general, the more offensively you're looping, and that includes counterlooping, the more you want to time your contact around the apex. Risk increases accordingly depending on the incoming shot.

When looping neutrally or defensively, you can contact the ball after the apex, early or in the middle of the descent phase. Avoid hitting late in the descent phase though, unless you intend to hit some sort of trick shot.

That's an interesting an weird video... he lost the point! 

Seriously, the most important i noticed, apart the muscles of his feet, is the right foot - right arm simplicity at his topspin. I am moving almost all my body and get the half result. Nice video.

bbkon wrote: Stoi wrote: That's an interesting an weird video... he lost the point!  Seriously, the most important i noticed, apart the muscles of his feet, is the right foot - right arm simplicity at his topspin. I am moving almost all my body and get the half result. Nice video. zjk still cant emulate kong's efortless playing

Is this video evidence of that?

KLH does seem able to powerloop almost at will in the video and he's taking the ball very early. He's also moving the ball all over the table.

Perhaps JSH is much improved now and the KLH then would not handle him so easily?







Edited by racquetsforsale - 07/29/2011 at 11:14am

dingyibvs wrote: bbkon wrote: Stoi wrote: That's an interesting an weird video... he lost the point!  Seriously, the most important i noticed, apart the muscles of his feet, is the right foot - right arm simplicity at his topspin. I am moving almost all my body and get the half result. Nice video. zjk still cant emulate kong's efortless playing It's possible that effortless playing can no longer win you a world championship now though.

i cant tell but but some kong's very powerful loops were performed with little backswing like pulling a trigger

Tinykin_2 wrote: In Kong's day you didn't have to put in much effort for big shots. Speedglue with all kinds of funny chemicals plus the 38mm ball.

That particular video (2003 China Open) was with 40 mm ball (but with glue, and the funny chemicals now are just different, that's all.  Blades are faster now).  Also, if you watch the whole video you realize that (1) on some points Kong used a looping style essentially identical to the one used by ZJK on the ONE point shown in the amazing clip Anton posted, and (2) the JSH-KLH match was a classic and incredible battle. KLH did not in any sense handle JSH with ease.  JSH was just coming off his amazing run at the Paris worlds, and the world at large did not yet have a whole lot of data and experience on how to play him.  IMHO, ZJK and KLH are about as similar as two players can be in terms of their shot technique, and I see no evidence that ZJK is better in absolute terms.  Both are greats, really all-time greats.


Edited by Baal - 12/15/2012 at 11:02pm

Benigma wrote: I've noticed that when looping against topspin, Zjk has a very short back swing and also a relatively small follow-through and hence he is quite effective near the table because he can quickly recover. But when looping against backspin he brings his arm right down close to the floor along with his entire body so that when he swings up, the power he generates creates enough topspin to bring the ball over the net.  He also does not need to worry about a quick recovery because playing against a chopper is not as fast paced as an attacker. I will concede that Zhang Jike has a very dangerous and effective technique..... but I don't like his attitude

GoldenDragoon wrote: One thing that stands out in kongs game against JSH is how often he allowed him to counter attack. Maybe there are differences these days but when ZJK plays JSH he gets very little chance to counter as he is pushed further and further back in every return he makes. Kong allowed him to be quite offensive in a lot of points.