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XIOM Offensive S review. |
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Anton Chigurh
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Posted: 08/16/2011 at 12:21am |
I dig XIOM products for their fine quality and reasonable prices, so I wanted to mention a few things about this blade for anyone who is interested.
Build: It's a 5-ply blade, 6.1mm. I don't know the exact build but I'm 99.9% certain the outer ply is limba. I'm guessing the blade is the classic limba-ayous-ayous-ayous-limba along the lines of the Korbel and so many other nice 5-plies. Mine is a flared handle. Here's a pic (from the internet, but mine looks the same): Handle: For the newer model blades (2010 and beyond), XIOM slimmed down the flare handles ever-so-slightly, making them just perfect for me. (For reference, think of the somewhat larger Butterfly flares, like Viscaria, and not the super slim flares, like the Innerforce ZLC, or like the tiny Nittaku flares.) Feel: The feel of this blade is in between soft and hard... so I guess it has a "medium" feel. Although limba blades tend to feel softish (in my experience), I think the softness is somewhat mitigated by the thicker outer plies. It has a very solid feel when hitting the ball... not like the "hollowness" of some Stiga blades. (I'm not knocking Stiga blades, as I like Stiga, but they definitely have a specific feel and this blade feels more solid.) A little vibration is there but it's fairly minimal. It's not as dead as an arylate/carbon weave by any means, but it's a little less vibration than one might expect from an all-wood blade, probably due to the 6.1mm thickness. Performance: It is pretty fast as 5-ply blades go, but not insanely fast. Definitely faster than a Korbel, but a bit slower than a Viscaria (which I realize is not an all-wood 5-ply but I'm just using it as a speed reference). I find the Offensive S to be very controllable. I've tried many rubbers on it--from Chinese to Tensors--and everything seems to work well enough with it. There is a little flex there with solid contact and good arm speed, but you have to work some to extract it. At 6.1mm, it's quite stable for blocking. XIOM markets it in the OFF range and I wouldn't disagree, though perhaps it's on the lower end of OFF. I would consider this to be an excellent all-around attacker's blade. Essentially, it does everything well. No quirks or odd idiosyncrasies--just a dependable, predictable blade. The best news to a person like myself is that despite its excellent craftsmanship and fine finish, and despite it's great performance, it still comes in at a reasonable $50. I would definitely suggest it to anyone seeking a solid feeling, high quality 5-ply at a reasonable price. Edited by Anton Chigurh - 08/16/2011 at 1:52am |
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yogi_bear
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nice review anton, you think it would be possible that butterfly also makes xiom's blades? the quality and finish are kinda identical with the butterfly blades
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accidental double entry.. see below about xiom
Edited by takkugoku - 08/16/2011 at 9:52am |
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vvk1
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Anton, how does it compare to V1?
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Xiom is a line from Champion, a South Korean tt equipment maker with long history Edited by takkugoku - 08/16/2011 at 9:52am |
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takkugoku, but does champion really produce their own blades?
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Anton Chigurh
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@vvk1: They are two very different blades, IMO. The V1 is a composite blade with a walnut outer ply, which gives it a very sharp, carbon feel. The V1 is also much thinner and has a bit more flex. And in general, the Offensive S is a heavier blade. (I asked for an 85g Offensive S but was told that the lightest they had was an 88g and that they thought it was going to hover around the 90g range in general; whereas, the V1 hovers around 80g.) Both handles are similar in comfort, but that's about all the similarities they share. I would give the edge in speed to the Offensive S.
@yogi: It's a valid question but I really have no idea. My intuition tells me no, since Butterfly doesn't strike me as the type of company who would make stuff for other companies or who (for the most part) would allow their products to be sold at reasonable prices. I think that whoever manufactures XIOM blades simply makes the extra effort to produce a fine product... without feeling the need to kick the consumer in the crotch. |
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AMonteiro
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This new "classic" style line from Xiom to me looks like an attempt to make Butterfly Classics..
Xiom Allround S has specs close to Primorac Off-
Xiom Offensive S close to Korbell
Xiom Extreme S close to SK7
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Nice review for a lovely blade. I've yet to try any blade made by Xiom, but looking at the quality of the blades, it really speaks a lot of the quality of Korean Workmanship. Even granting the assumption that the blades are made by a contractor, the quality is still top notch. Korea has come a long way and are catching up on the Japs and Germans in all kinds of industries from Automotive to semi-conductors..
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Actually they are made in China.
I'm sure about V1 Quad |
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Thank you. So V1 is slightly slower than Offensive S? Interesting ..
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Looks really nice. Blades have become increasingly ugly recently, with plenty of colors that don't belong in wood products in my opinion, like red and blue and purple and whatnot.
How much does it weigh? May be I get the slower one, which would be thinner and flexier too. God knows I don't need another blade, but if it looks good.. Can we have a real picture too, actually? I bought a couple of blades already for no reason other than looks, and I have been nothing but disapointed. Nothing looks like the picture any more. Edited by assiduous - 08/17/2011 at 3:54pm |
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Anton Chigurh
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I think so... but I could be remembering it incorrectly. It has been a while since I played with the V1. Honestly, to be certain I'd need both blades next to me with the same rubbers on each. I feel like the Offensive S is a bit faster, but I think that the differences in speed are fairly minimal. The biggest differences are in the feels of the blades. |
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I've owned two Xiom blades, and while I did not end up keeping either one, the workmanship was truly first rate. I didn't like them quite as much as my beloved Viscarias, but they were excellent blades. Xiom gives great value for the money.
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This is a great description. It sounds like exactly what I've been looking for in a blade. I've been wanting to go back to 5 plys for a few months now, but haven't found the right one. I wont buy butterfly. Otherwise I'd already own a korbel.
To be honest, if I were to describe what I wanted in a blade, it would be pretty damn close to what you just described for this blade, Anton. I have always been kinda hesitant to buy a xiom product though... I tend to stick to really common models of blades because they are tried and true. Like Clipper- everyone loves clippers. But I like the idea of one thicker core, and I like that kind of feel more. Are there other blades out there that are the same kind of build other than the korbel? What are they? to be honest, my "add to cart" button finger might get itchy enough to just go ahead and buy this one instead of getting another OC CR... which is what I've kind of settled for. What are the other blades like this one out there before i get it?
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also, how does it compare to the Fuga, Anton? If you could be so kind that is :)
I've been reading into that blade too.
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mhnh007
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I had a chance to play with the Offesive S, excellent blade. It play very similar to P Korbel, a little faster, but a bit softer. It is more balance than the P Korbel, so if you play with heavy rubber, then this blade is better for you. BTW - good review, I totally agree.
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Has anyone had a go with the Extreme S? That one looks very promising for me
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i've used extreme S for 3 months. it is a great wooden blade, stiff and medium hard , 7 ply, limba outer. similar to clipper wood, probably even more to clipper cr which I haven't tried. same thickness and same wood as clipper wood, but faster, a bit lower throw, and slightly more flexible.
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The more I play with the Offensive S, the more I like it. It has enough power to put away point, and the control is as good as any wooden blades that I've tried. I think I am going to oder another one with Square handle to try.
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I wish i still had the Offensive S I bought from Anton. That was one of the best blades I've ever had. It's definitely up there.
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Anton,
Could you make comparison with Tibhar Stratus Power Wood?
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Anton Chigurh
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Nope. Never played with it. Sorry. |
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where to get extreme S, if i recall you play with pips pen? it would be really a replacement for clipper/CR?
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Nice review! I kept my xiom offensive s. I used it for several months when I wanted to improve my swing. Paired tenergy 05, 05 fx and worked like a charm. Heaps of control and has speed when you need it. Its around in the lower OFF rating but still has enough speed for an offensive topspin game. Xiom blades are exceptionally well made for the price. I also have an axelo in which the finish is nothing short of outstanding.
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Thanks for the elaborate - as always! - review. As for the Fuga comparison thing, Fuga must be somewhat faster and harder than Off S, but this is a conjecture based on pitch.
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I haven't played Offensive S before but I guess that in comparison, the Fuga would have a slightly softer feel and be a tad slower.
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I have played with Fuga and Offensive S. The outer layers on Fuga are harder and the pitch is higher.
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Anton Chigurh
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The Fuga is essentially a Stiga OC. Koto outer ply. It is thinner than the Offensive S. It is also a bit slower. The Fuga has a sharper (or "harder") feel than the Offensive S but the Offensive S is definitely faster.
Both are great blades. One is stiffer, softer feeling, and faster (the Offensive S) and the other is flexier, sharper feeling, and a bit slower (Fuga). |
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