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mon22
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Posted: 12/07/2011 at 1:52pm |
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playing with composites for 5 months now and just missing the all wood feel. I want to try the clipper but knowing the modern clipper is around 6.8mm to 7 mm i think it wont suit my style. It comes down to three blades for me for now, unless recommended: -Nittaku Adelie -Donic Baum Carrera Senso -Avalox P700 AGAIN, not sure if these have nasty vibrations like the stiga OC. I hear the Nittaku acoustic has barely any, but would like the solidness of a 7 ply -Joola Viva (not rossi) = not sure if they updated the thickness to match the modern clipper - Avalox p700 = again not sure if they changed this to match the modern clipper (ttnpp) From my research i know these blades are similar to the CLASSIC clipper: -Nittaku Ludeack -Nittaku Adelie -Donic Baum Carrera Senso -Yinhe Uranus 2 (????) -Yinhe M6/M5 -Joola Viva -Avalox P700 -DHS PG7 Is there anymore with suggestions Edited by mon22 - 12/07/2011 at 4:22pm |
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A friendly reminder to OP & Mods. that this topic should be relocated to For Sale Section. Also, have you (the OP) tried the Avalox BT777? It should be quite affordable. Another supposedly "Beast" would be OSP Ultimate or Musko OFF Pro? The last 2 are kinda steep in prices if new.Nittaku Acoustic does have vibration but to me personally, nice vibration not as annoying (not even closed to) as some cheaper reg. 5 plied all woods. Edited by tiehwen - 12/07/2011 at 3:12pm |
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What about that new blade Ma Long uses?
My Acoustic has basically no vibrations, definitely less than other 6.0 mm all-wood blades. Edited by LGL_fan - 12/07/2011 at 3:19pm |
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chronos
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I'm testing Ovcharov Senso tonight as well as pg7, I will let you know my impressions, I think these are both quite good.
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mon22
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well i put it on the equipment because i am not looking from other members. i plan to discuss 7 ply blades based on what im looking for
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emihet
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I would add to the list:
1. Old Clipper Wood black writing but very hard to find 2. I have a really nice custom Borko 7ply, very thin, center mahogany, balsa, mohagany, and outer layer it looks like the same wood from Nittaku Violin, or some sort of Maple ($170) 2. Armstrong Houou 7 thinner then clipper 3. Avalox Power Tech (this has hinoki only on the outer 2 layers...the rest is a clipper setup and it is lighter) most people don't consider this blade because it is not very well known Edited by emihet - 12/07/2011 at 4:19pm |
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Viscaria, Ma Long 5, Old Clippers, BTY Ovtcharov and Various Custom blades
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emihet
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Musko and BT 777 are nice blade but they do have more vibration then most other 7 plys...but still much less then other blades |
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Viscaria, Ma Long 5, Old Clippers, BTY Ovtcharov and Various Custom blades
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emihet
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nice...this blade with Calibra LT or Calibra LT+ on the forehand is a beast...this is a springier 7 ply a nice kick for pure loopers...at least the one i tried have you tried the avx power tech? Edited by emihet - 12/07/2011 at 4:15pm |
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Viscaria, Ma Long 5, Old Clippers, BTY Ovtcharov and Various Custom blades
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Perhaps Butterfly VSG21-2000? (wink-wink hints at the fact that I am selling one... sorry couldn't help it)
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lulz.
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mon22
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There's virtually no vibration in my BT 777. And the weight can get as low as below 80g. It's a perfect 7-ply :D
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emihet
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NICE...MY BT777 IS AROUND 85 GRAMS AND HAS SOME VIBRATION...MY P700 HAS ALMOST NO VIBRATION THOUGH... |
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Viscaria, Ma Long 5, Old Clippers, BTY Ovtcharov and Various Custom blades
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mon22
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no vibrations like an alc blade? i highly doubt it considering ive read and talked to others about the avalox's blue thunder blades and they all mentioned high vibrations
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sa01
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p700 - not so fast, feels mushy, + control
ludeack power - great, in the middle between p700 and clipper cr. squareish handle which is not very comfortable, unjustified price. clipper cr - solid feel (opposite to p700), great speed, feels like stiff, like all stiga blades pg7 - short handle, feeling is not much of wood, like clipper cr but less "dry" feeling more flexy. speed bit less than clipper cr. what I would advise: clipper or clipper cr if you want faster/stiffer Edited by sa01 - 12/08/2011 at 10:03pm |
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Have you tried the TB ZLF? Though it's a composite it has more woody feel and feedback than any 7-ply wood blade. It feels like an Acoustic but is faster. Speed just slightly less than a TBS, and only 5.5mm thick.
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mon22
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Isnt the modern clipper wood at 7 mm?
I think that's too much of an adjustment from the ALC blades i have been using. It either comes down between: -PG7 -TG7 - BL: 6.2 mm -Baum Carrera Senso - Joola Viva still waiting on chronos's input on the pg7 and ovtcharov senso
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sa01
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coming from an alc the best bet is clipper cr.
any other choice you will regret the rest of your life. |
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mon22
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due to the hardness? im just iffy about the thickness really considering i have used thicker blade in the past and could not find the amount of flex i can work with, versus the flex i find from the ALC blades i have (viscaria, tb alc)
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sa01
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the difference in thickness with pg7, p700, ludeack etc is minimal if any.
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ejmaster
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solidness&performance is superior in alc blades like viscaria, tb alc. however one can find better feeling in a 7 ply all wood blade like a ludeack power or a pg7. p700 and clipper cr are the ones i like less. all these four 7 ply blades offer flex/catapult. clipper cr is faster and can be more dangerous than a p700 but it is a high technique blade. the clipper cr is a blade to get used and not to mess around with ejing. it is a high technique demanding blade. not easy. i would go: 1. ludeack power/pg7(have to like it) 2. baum carrera (easy blade)/ovtcharov(heavy with lot of control) 3. clipper cr (more techq.level demanding)) 4. p700 (easy but mushy) btwy, sorry i forgot to mention the baum carrera senso. lots of control. thinner than clippers with more solid feeling. good blade. i would take this in second place. Edited by ejmaster - 12/10/2011 at 9:59am |
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MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood. |
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mon22
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I just forked over $65 and bought a Joola Viva instead. Hopefully the thickness is not the same as the modern clipper... If anything i am blessed we have this forum so i can sell it lol
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bibigon
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Thickness of my Joola Viva is 7.2 mm. I didn't expect such a thick Clipper clone and was really disappointed. What about yours, mon22, Viva?
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ejmaster
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i have a quite old viva and it is not 7,2 but around 6,2. quite more solid than clipper but heavy weight and worse feeling than a good old clipper.
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mon22
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what!? its at 7.2mm thickness??!
time to cancel my order lol
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bibigon
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Stop the panic! )) I suspect my Viva is just a deviant number among in all senses respectable Viva family. My sample weighs only 81 g and has ridiculously small sweet spot for such a thickness. |
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mon22
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yes i am panicking. 7.2mm thickness is too much than what i was looking for
the only info on the viva's thickness was on presports which was labeled at 6mm... i figured hey i'll just order it here in the US
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Imago
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one time courtesy Give the balls to the vice champion in the next club tournament. There is nothing like Clipper among my 15 Clipper-like blades. I must however confess that some are better, say, M-6 or MC-3.
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I trained with the pg7 tonight; I also tested the ovcharov senso again.
pg7 is great. No there's nothing special about it, no magic, but if you like 7 ply all wood blades its a nice option. Its one of the softest 7 ply blades I've tried, Rosewood VII feels softer but plays quite differently - pg7 is familiar to me, plays like a clipper but has a bigger head, softer feeling, more flex. I agree with sa01, it feels less "dry", I wish it had a little more vibration. The feeling is good though, good feedback and no hollowness, it feels solid. It's easier to use than clipper, certainly easier than clipper CR which I've used pretty exclusively for almost a year. clipper CR is nice but there is no give to this blade - great for forehand with chinese rubber, but not nice on the backhand where I want more bite for looping. I was able to play the same ball timing and power with the pg7 but got more spin out of the blade, the touch is better, I think its a more well rounded option, better for looping, nice catapult feeling (for all wood anyway) on harder shots. pg7 is easier to use over the table dropping, pushing, and flicking. Ovcharov Senso is surprisingly fast, feels harder, more hollow feeling / vibration to it. I think its too quick for me even though its 6.2mm thick. It's more dynamic than a clipper. I just measured my very old p700 in a digital caliper - its 6.45 mm thick. When I switched to clipper CR from this blade I actually found the clipper CR had better touch, better control, and I preferred the feeling - I wasn't expecting this. My p700 is also picky about rubbers, some even chinese rubbers felt bad on it. It also feels quite hollow, I prefer the feeling of newer p700s but this old one has a bigger handle. I hit with an ALC tonight with whale II red sponge on the forehand and that on the otherhand, is magic - that blade is much faster than what we're mentioning, more dynamic, it gave my loops away from the table more spin, it has a much more muted feeling. |
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