Liu ShiWen Innerfiber ZLF

Hi is the Liu Shiwen unnerfiber ZLF the same as blade as the Innerforce ZLF.. And what are the stats for the Liu Shiwen unnerfiber ZLF??

I bought it as a backup to my IF ZLF thinking that it was the exact same blade.  It's 1.5g lighter, handle feels mostly the same, seems to be the same composition, thickness, etc.

But to me, it feels WAY FASTER...had just as much speed as the IF ZLC (or more) but still more flexible like the IF ZLF.  So much speed that I had to buy another IF ZLF as a backup instead.  It might be okay when I get to 2000.  My guess is that maybe BTY used different glue between the plies or the 2nd ply is a different wood.

Edited by eonblue - 12/08/2011 at 3:23pm

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

88g average.

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also:

tsanyc wrote: wow, glue matter a lot then?

believe it or not, glue type, method and amount, perhaps even more than wood type, influences the speed and stiffness/elasticity of blade.

It's often why you can have two blades with very similar construction that play in totally different speed classes.

plus could i used xiom vega europe for my backhand for this blade,, or would the combo be tooo soft?

The Liu Shiwen is an excellent blade. The best feature is the looping performance with the arc looping quality. The arc is really low so it hurts because reduces the height margin to countering.
It is like a traditional 5 ply limba limba ayous with 2 zylon plies (quite solid).
The spin variation is very good.
Blocking is also good. Short and sharp.
It is faster than what it seems. For me it is perfect fast.
And for sure spinny.
Control is good in everything.
Handle is very good for not big hands with very good touch.
The limba outer is good quality. I sealed with classic poliuretane slow process and the result was as good as with the old stigas.
Today i crushed with this blade because my playing partners do not handle well the arc.
It reminds me koki niwa and liu shiwen matches when counter looping. Seems difficult to handle.
While the zjk blade was for me a fiasco this Liu Shiwen blade is a really nice blade.
Both koki niwa and liu shiwen had an ej road till get to this blade and both got important tournament results, wttjc, ittf grand finals.
I got impressed about this blade.
More to come...

Edited by ejmaster - 04/14/2013 at 3:55pm

Hi Andy. I doubted about getting the zxi hayabusa or the LS but after reading your impressions about both blades (something about higuer speed in the zxi but a little unforgiving) i got the LS.
So your posts were very helpful. And i got a good surprise. Thank you very much.
Besides i thought 'i'm not willing to save 10 euros like getting a supposedly like t05 to deal with nothing like it. A bad business'.
I see more risk getting hayabusa. Several blades not exactly same layering. Some of them going fast to the FS section. This is a funny thing you mention... awsome, the best blade and a few days later in the FS section.
Btwy the LS has nothing to do with a Photino.

Edited by ejmaster - 04/14/2013 at 4:33pm

Andy you are right about the rising prices.
And this is not a good strategy. I would have spent more money if prices were lower. I can buy several 80 $ blades just to have fun testing. But this way i just buy one every some months.
The point is that all manufacturers have to be punished.
First it was butterfly but then everybody goes this way.
To go with +120 $ a blade is expensive to sell quantity.
So the way to punish is 'ok it is hard to buy'. And if buying why the risk of getting an unknown blade.


Edited by ejmaster - 04/14/2013 at 4:59pm

Hi Mickael. Glad to see in your signature a Viscaria instead of your first beloved zjk. You know i was right then.
The head size in the LS is perfect. It is 158 large. Perfect design to have sharp flexible behaviour in a thin blade.
One of the main advantages about the zylon is lightness.
So thin blade and light zylon allows to have this 158 head size with heavy rubbers and the blade balance is good.
Koki Niwa plays with t25 (even more weight than t05) and t05.
The balance in the LS is very good. Not head heavy.


Edited by ejmaster - 04/14/2013 at 5:09pm

:) indeed viscaria is better than the zjk in terms of feel, but the liu shiwen blade is very good like the viscaria, but does not have this extra punch to finish a ball, you just feel the ball is sticking to the blade and not leaving with the wanted pace , overall the blade is very good.

Mickael wrote: :) indeed viscaria is better than the zjk in terms of feel, but the liu shiwen blade is very good like the viscaria, but does not have this extra punch to finish a ball, you just feel the ball is sticking to the blade and not leaving with the wanted pace , overall the blade is very good.

How are the LS and IF ZLF compare to the IF ALC in term of control and speed?  I like the control of the IF ALC, but wish the speed is a little faster.

ejmaster wrote: Imo the if alc feels even faster than the LS but less control. The if alc is more flexible than a mm but same fast. But i like the LS control feeling better. Softer and with a better looping arc.

Sound like the LS is not for me then.  Moving from TB ALC to IF ALC, it take me quite a lot of adjustment for the slower speed.  I can see why the LS can be even slower as it is thinner at 5.6mm compare to 5.9mm on the IF ALC (mine actually measures just a touch over 5.7mm).  Thank you for the info. though.

What is that ???