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2012 London Olympics is fast approaching, and with the current results in Hungarian and Slovenian Open, the chinese dominance is still very much obvious. However, others maybe taking their preparations well enough. Chances are, what we can do for now is to speculate who may have the chance to win.. Who knows? Tongue
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I'll bet $500 that the Chinese men don't sweep all three medals again.  Any takers?
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Originally posted by roar roar wrote:

I'll bet $500 that the Chinese men don't sweep all three medals again.  Any takers?


Actually if anyone were willing to bet with me, I'll take a loan and bet $1m that the Chinese won't sweep all 3 medals in the singles or the team, because there can only be 2 singles players and 1 team playing from each national association.
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At the moment I think it's obvious Ma Long and Zhang Jike should be the two chosen to represent China at the Olympics and in my opinion they are both ridiculously high medal chances (I hesitate to say guaranteed). Interesting to speculate on who the 3rd medal might go to whichever colour it is.
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I think one of the chinese will fail in later stage and one goes all the way for gold. 

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So 3 Chinese players medaled in Beijing, but in London they are only allowing 2 players? Is that a rule/format change?
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Originally posted by konnichwakid1 konnichwakid1 wrote:

So 3 Chinese players medaled in Beijing, but in London they are only allowing 2 players? Is that a rule/format change?
yep; ITTF thinks it's bad for the sport when 3 CNT players take all 3 medals and the whole podium so they changed the rules. I am not taking any side here as I want to avoid a flaming thread but I understand why some people say it's sad that some players in the world top 5 cannot compete in the Olympics because of sport politics.
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The chance is that there will be 2 medals on the podium for China, one gold plus a second one either silver or bronze.  The reality is that it doesn't really matter who LGL sends at the end. 
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wouldn't that be a failure to miss the silver medal (assuming the gold one is in for them)?I keep thinking the CNT is building a bad spell on themselves by thinking wang hao still can play in the singles; he had 2 chances in 2004 and 2008 and was the first loser (in CNT terms) in both instances...COME ON!
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

wouldn't that be a failure to miss the silver medal (assuming the gold one is in for them)?I keep thinking the CNT is building a bad spell on themselves by thinking wang hao still can play in the singles; he had 2 chances in 2004 and 2008 and was the first loser (in CNT terms) in both instances...COME ON!
Good points.
I don't know how the "draw' works.  It would be a disappointment if not a disaster to the Chinese if their 2 players meet in the semi and not in the final.
Wang Hao with 2 silver medals reminds me of Holland in the World Cup (football/soccer), always the runner-up.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

wouldn't that be a failure to miss the silver medal (assuming the gold one is in for them)?I keep thinking the CNT is building a bad spell on themselves by thinking wang hao still can play in the singles; he had 2 chances in 2004 and 2008 and was the first loser (in CNT terms) in both instances...COME ON!


Well if by the current ITTF ranking, ZJK and Wang Hao would be the top 2 seeds w/o Ma Long playing, so they won't meet until the final. That being said, I don't think anything is final yet. There's still a chance Wang Hao gets replaced. That depends on how well himself, Xu Xin and Ma Lin will be able to play in the coming months. The same can be said for ZJK but I think it's more unlikely he gets replaced.
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Originally posted by shaolinTT shaolinTT wrote:

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

wouldn't that be a failure to miss the silver medal (assuming the gold one is in for them)?I keep thinking the CNT is building a bad spell on themselves by thinking wang hao still can play in the singles; he had 2 chances in 2004 and 2008 and was the first loser (in CNT terms) in both instances...COME ON!
Good points.
I don't know how the "draw' works.  It would be a disappointment if not a disaster to the Chinese if their 2 players meet in the semi and not in the final.
Wang Hao with 2 silver medals reminds me of Holland in the World Cup (football/soccer), always the runner-up.


numer 1 and 2 will never clash before the final, i hope LGL is reading this forum  but wang hao will make the world think they  could have a shot of WH chokes again, he has played 4 finals and lose 3  better for wang hao to be world champion again, he must be thinking that he can choke again
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by roar roar wrote:

I'll bet $500 that the Chinese men don't sweep all three medals again.  Any takers?


Actually if anyone were willing to bet with me, I'll take a loan and bet $1m that the Chinese won't sweep all 3 medals in the singles or the team, because there can only be 2 singles players and 1 team playing from each national association.

That's why I posted it in the first place :p

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Originally posted by konnichwakid1 konnichwakid1 wrote:

So 3 Chinese players medaled in Beijing, but in London they are only allowing 2 players? Is that a rule/format change?
yep; ITTF thinks it's bad for the sport when 3 CNT players take all 3 medals and the whole podium so they changed the rules. I am not taking any side here as I want to avoid a flaming thread but I understand why some people say it's sad that some players in the world top 5 cannot compete in the Olympics because of sport politics.

As far as I'm concerned, the whole grand slam in table tennis doesn't really mean that much due to the format of tournaments.

If Zhang Jike wins the Olympics this year, he will have won the world championship, the world cup and the Olympics without ever having to play against Ma Long (the best player in the world) during any of those events.  Ma Long may not have been #1 at the time of the world championship, but he was during the world cup and did not even get an invite.

Heck, if the Olympics were held using the current ITTF ranking list, there would only be 6 of the top 10 players in the world competing - the Qatar open in a few days will have 9/10 which makes it a MUCH more difficult tournament to win.

The focus on Ma Long in particular doesn't mean anything, the point is simply that a single elimination tournament with a restriction on top players is sort of absurd.  I think it would be immensely better for the sport to eliminate doubles and make tournaments double elimination.  Mind you, I'm only suggesting this for the pro-circuit and not for all levels of the sport.

As for the Olympics, the argument which is arising against the allowance of multiple top Chinese is that the spirit of the event is countries competing with one another.  I agree that this is what the Olympics is generally for, but then shouldn't only one player be allowed for each country?  Or perhaps the Olympics shouldn't have singles and there should only be a team event - doesn't that sound more like countries competing against one another?
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I think that the Olympics should at least follow (with adjustment) the same standard as WTTC:

let's say if a country has two players in top 20 or top 30 of WR then they get a third player (at least!)

I understand that this will allow China to have three players and take all three medals (possibly) but that's what you get when you are very good at something.
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

I think that the Olympics should at least follow (with adjustment) the same standard as WTTC:

let's say if a country has two players in top 20 or top 30 of WR then they get a third player (at least!)

I understand that this will allow China to have three players and take all three medals (possibly) but that's what you get when you are very good at something.
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China won't win a gold medal in TT this year at the Olympics...I predict one of the North American players will pull off a huge upset and win the gold!

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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

If Ma Long does not play the singles event I predict no cnt player in London's Olympic final.
 
I wrote that in that post a while ago:
 
It's more like a friendly bet than a serious position however I can't help thinking that Wang Hao having lost twice (once vs. a non Chinese) does not make him deserve a third chance, especially in China where I imagine, right or wrong, failure is less than often forgiven.
 
What is the logic when saying ML has  a mental problem for losing 2nd zone players after a long streak a victories while WH does not have any when failing at the highest level 3 times (OG, OG, WC) where ML has never been given a chance (or just lost a cnt friend)???
 
Liu Guoliang has thrown a bad spell on his team. 
 
In London I predict Timo Boll (I'll end up winning with enough attempts like in 2008, 2009, 2011...) will beat Dimitrij OVTCHAROV in the final, if they do not meet before the ultimate stage; gold for the winner of their match if they fight before the final.
 
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:


 
In London I predict Timo Boll (I'll end up winning with enough attempts like in 2008, 2009, 2011...) will beat Dimitrij OVTCHAROV in the final, if they do not meet before the ultimate stage; gold for the winner of their match if they fight before the final.
 


If you know probability, you'll realize that previous failed guesses don't improve the odds on the next one LOL
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what about the law of large numbers: if you try enough...Tongue
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

what about the law of large numbers: if you try enough...Tongue


Doing the same thing and expect difference results is unrealistic...

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but Timo is adjusting and does different things, evolving; so is dmitri who we saw bh looping like crazy lately. they stand a chance, the same a certain Werner stood a few years ago.
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Just hope Vladimir Samsonov finds his medal this time  :) , he really deserves it.
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I think that this year the gold medal is for a european: Dima, Sansonov or Boll
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Originally posted by scdit46 scdit46 wrote:

I think that this year the gold medal is for a european: Dima, Sansonov or Boll
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I bet on Timo even though I'll root first for Adrien; if I am right somebody is going to lose his job for not letting Ma Long play singles; especially if he does well in the team event.
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Originally posted by roar roar wrote:

I'll bet $500 that the Chinese men don't sweep all three medals again.  Any takers?
 
Nice! a sure win bet!:P
 
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only boll has a chance, he has proved he was the only on to play remotely similar or possibly get games off the Jike.  Nobody else has done anything to prepare against the Chinese to the depth that he has.
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