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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

it means that among the 2 Hayabusa Zxi blades that I know of, one is almost 84gr (mine) one 97gr or 98gr (I assume your grip is no more than 5 grams)
 
THAT'S a BIG DIFFERENCE!!!




Oh , come on my dear friend . Do not make a big fuss about a few gramms .
As you can see they are ordinary kitchen scales and not those used at pharmacies after all LOL
Furthermore subtle alternations may occour during production process.

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a french guy wrote that on the 1st French tt site:

ZEPHYLIUM ® is a polymer exclusively developed for XIOM blades and has a tensile strength 1.6 higher than Aramid. Vibration gives a natural feel and ball speed is improved. Ball control is amazing. Carbon fibers with ZEPHYLIUM creates extra energy and improved ball feeling. ZEPHYLIUM is a trademark of XIOM.
XCARBONE is the name of Carbon materials developed exclusively for XIOM. Carbon is the basis for increasing the speed and resistance. Carbon fibers can develop different properties, methods of training. XCARBONE is a superior fiber that fits well with natural wood. 
Driven into the wood or polymer materials, XCARBONE creates a better and softer feel than other Carbon fibers.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

a french guy wrote that on the 1st French tt site:

ZEPHYLIUM ® is a polymer exclusively developed for XIOM blades and has a tensile strength 1.6 higher than Aramid. Vibration gives a natural feel and ball speed is improved. Ball control is amazing. Carbon fibers with ZEPHYLIUM creates extra energy and improved ball feeling. ZEPHYLIUM is a trademark of XIOM.
XCARBONE is the name of Carbon materials developed exclusively for XIOM. Carbon is the basis for increasing the speed and resistance. Carbon fibers can develop different properties, methods of training. XCARBONE is a superior fiber that fits well with natural wood. 
Driven into the wood or polymer materials, XCARBONE creates a better and softer feel than other Carbon fibers.



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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

only one left in FL: they had 5 and they were all between 81 and 85 grams.
$137 including shipping is a nice bargain.

one left in ST as well.
damn....I've my eyes on 2 Xioms (please guess..Embarrassed Fatt) but my lady & sunny want me to buy some others non-tt stuffs for them.
I'll wait for some used here @ mytt then..
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only one left in FL and one left in ST at 104 EUROS 
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From the picture looks like the ZXi hhas Koto top plies, and the ZX has Limba.  Is this correct?  Which one of the 2 is camparable to IF ZLC?
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I read before that yes, the ZXi has koto outer plies; in fact it has the same composition than the TBS if you replace BTY Arylate Carbon by the newer material that Xiom introduced: Zephylium.

In both cases the Zephylium is right behind the outer ply while the IF blades have the composite carbon stuck to the core.

The TB ZLC has Koto outer plies so my answer would be that the ZXi is closer to the ZLC.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I read before that yes, the ZXi has koto outer plies; in fact it has the same composition than the TBS if you replace BTY Arylate Carbon by the newer material that Xiom introduced: Zephylium.

In both cases the Zephylium is right behind the outer ply while the IF blades have the composite carbon stuck to the core.

The TB ZLC has Koto outer plies so my answer would be that the ZXi is closer to the ZLC.

I thought the ZXi has the Zephylium close to the CORE, while the ZX has it right behind the top ply.  What interesting is the ZX seem to have the Limba top ply, so in effect The ZXi has the same structure as the IF, but with KOTO top, and the ZX has the same structure as the TB, but with the Limba top.
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It's just a blessing (for me) that Xiom doesn't (CAN'T?) make good decent Anatomic handle version for some of these "High ends".
I hereby lay my EJ "dream" for this Xiom to rest.....


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Originally posted by mhnh007 mhnh007 wrote:

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I read before that yes, the ZXi has koto outer plies; in fact it has the same composition than the TBS if you replace BTY Arylate Carbon by the newer material that Xiom introduced: Zephylium.

In both cases the Zephylium is right behind the outer ply while the IF blades have the composite carbon stuck to the core.

The TB ZLC has Koto outer plies so my answer would be that the ZXi is closer to the ZLC.

I thought the ZXi has the Zephylium close to the CORE, while the ZX has it right behind the top ply.  What interesting is the ZX seem to have the Limba top ply, so in effect The ZXi has the same structure as the IF, but with KOTO top, and the ZX has the same structure as the TB, but with the Limba top.

I am confident you are mistaken about the Zxi:

look at those pictures of my 1st Zxi:


and the close up picture right after that post (plies).
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Originally posted by mhnh007 mhnh007 wrote:

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I read before that yes, the ZXi has koto outer plies; in fact it has the same composition than the TBS if you replace BTY Arylate Carbon by the newer material that Xiom introduced: Zephylium.

In both cases the Zephylium is right behind the outer ply while the IF blades have the composite carbon stuck to the core.

The TB ZLC has Koto outer plies so my answer would be that the ZXi is closer to the ZLC.

I thought the ZXi has the Zephylium close to the CORE, while the ZX has it right behind the top ply.  What interesting is the ZX seem to have the Limba top ply, so in effect The ZXi has the same structure as the IF, but with KOTO top, and the ZX has the same structure as the TB, but with the Limba top.

I am confident you are mistaken about the Zxi:

look at those pictures of my 1st Zxi:


and the close up picture right after that post (plies).

You are right about the ZXi, and the picture confirms it.  However, in the description it says 'Zephylium Carbon close to the core ply makes ZXi feel more solid and genuine' which leads me to believe the Zephylium is closer to the CORE. 
 
In the ZX it says 'Zephylium Carbon character in the second layer makes ZX feel sensibly sharp but unbelievably softer than other composite blades', what does it mean?  I wish some one who has the ZX can confirm the structure.  If ZX is indeed has the Zephylium close the CORE, then it looks like they have the descriptions mixed up, and the ZX is a lot like the IF ZLC, which I maybe interested in.
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Originally posted by mhnh007 mhnh007 wrote:

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In the ZX it says 'Zephylium Carbon character in the second layer makes ZX feel sensibly sharp but unbelievably softer than other composite blades', what does it mean?  I wish some one who has the ZX can confirm the structure.  If ZX is indeed has the Zephylium close the CORE, then it looks like they have the descriptions mixed up, and the ZX is a lot like the IF ZLC, which I maybe interested in.
you make such a strong point!!!  maybe they did invert the descriptions. We need to put our hands on a zx now.
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Hello mhnh007

I went to xiomtt.com and  here is what I see; obviously different than the picture in the OP ('third layer' instead of 'second layer'); they made corrections. Thank you for underlining the problem. 
So I guess your answer is that the ZX is closer to the IF ZLC and the ZXi closer to the TB ZLC.

The description of the ZXi still mentions zephylium "towards the center" though; I am receiving a 2nd ZXi very soon so we'll see if I get the same composition structure.
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the Zi has an ayous core sandwiched by Zephylium (not Zcarbon); a strong candidate for Innerforce lovers who do not want the hardness of carbon.

koto - limba - Zephylium - AYOUS - Zephylium - limba - koto

reminder: Z = Zephylium (competitor of Zylon); ZX = Zephylium Carbon (ZLC competitor); 

I have not figured out what the i stands for in Zi and ZXi. any idea?
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by the way my favorite handle in terms of fashion (...) is the ZX.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:


I have not figured out what the i stands for in Zi and ZXi. any idea?

 
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And what does X stand for, in that chain of thoughts? I don't see X in "carbon". Tongue
 
 
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so fatt, Andro kinetic supreme zylon hinoki vs Xiom Zetro Quad vs the Hayabusa ZXi (all 3 blades that you supposedly thought were the end of your ejing) - which wins and why?
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So from what I understood Zxi is softer, lighter and faster than Mizutani? 

If yes then it's definitely for me Smile
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Originally posted by ttping85 ttping85 wrote:

So from what I understood Zxi is softer, lighter and faster than Mizutani? 

If yes then it's definitely for me Smile
I am afraid I was wrong if I said it is faster than the MJ. Sorry; I think I had said that after an impressive bouncing test on a bare blade but at play time it is not faster than MJ; probably because the MJ is heavier, stiffer and harder.
it is DEFINITELY softer and lighter (at least my 2 blades are almost 4 to 10gr lighter than the 4 MJ I have owned in the past). 
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

 

The Andro Zylon Hinoki could very well be my main blade. It was perfect and frankly I did not need anything better but I am still happy to have found something between the Andro and the MJ in terms of softness and a bit faster too.
 


I guess you meant only faster than the Andro blade then, right? 

So is it slower or same speed then? 
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by the way my favorite handle in terms of fashion (...) is the ZX.




 
 
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I have the Z+.   Its a great blade.   Per your question:  

"the ZX it says 'Zephylium Carbon character in the second layer makes ZX feel sensibly sharp but unbelievably softer than other composite blades', what does it mean?  I wish some one who has the ZX can confirm the structure.  If ZX is indeed has the Zephylium close the CORE, then it looks like they have the descriptions mixed up, and the ZX is a lot like the IF ZLC, which I maybe interested in."

I believe that my Z+ PLAYS THIS WAY: Its very crisp and sharp.   It is also very solid feeling.  I have the TB ZLF and the Xiom zetro quad.    This blade feels like an Off - to me.    
Both the ZQ and the ZLF feel slightly faster but only barely.

I agree, that it feels like the ZLC.  
The ZLF feels softer and less crisp but its just not as fast as I expected.




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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

the Zi has an ayous core sandwiched by Zephylium (not Zcarbon); a strong candidate for Innerforce lovers who do not want the hardness of carbon.

koto - limba - Zephylium - AYOUS - Zephylium - limba - koto

reminder: Z = Zephylium (competitor of Zylon); ZX = Zephylium Carbon (ZLC competitor); 

I have not figured out what the i stands for in Zi and ZXi. any idea?

OK, I think it all makes sense to me now.  They did not just get the description mixed up, the Description is correct for the name.  However, they got the name mixed up LOL.  Whoever setup the printing, is probably going to get canned :).  I think the 'i' in Zi, or ZXi is supposed to stand for inner, just like the Innerforce in BTY blades.  The 'X" I think is suppose to be Extra, for the added Carbon.
 
So this is what I think they want to do:
Z = TB ZLF
Zi = IF ZLF
ZX = TB ZLC
ZXi = IF ZLC.
 
However, they got the 'i' and the non 'i' mixed up.  I did try the IF ZLC, and really like it.  I hope if anyone has play with both IF ZLC and the ZX and confirm their similarity.
 
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Originally posted by mhnh007 mhnh007 wrote:

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

the Zi has an ayous core sandwiched by Zephylium (not Zcarbon); a strong candidate for Innerforce lovers who do not want the hardness of carbon.

koto - limba - Zephylium - AYOUS - Zephylium - limba - koto


reminder: Z = Zephylium (competitor of Zylon); ZX = Zephylium Carbon (ZLC competitor); 


I have not figured out what the i stands for in Zi and ZXi. any idea?


OK, I think it all makes sense to me now.  They did not just get the description mixed up, the Description is correct for the name.  However, they got the name mixed up LOL.  Whoever setup the printing, is probably going to get canned :).  I think the 'i' in Zi, or ZXi is supposed to stand for inner, just like the Innerforce in BTY blades.  The 'X" I think is suppose to be Extra, for the added Carbon.

 

So this is what I think they want to do:

Z = TB ZLF

Zi = IF ZLF

ZX = TB ZLC

ZXi = IF ZLC.

 

However, they got the 'i' and the non 'i' mixed up.  I did try the IF ZLC, and really like it.  I hope if anyone has play with both IF ZLC and the ZX and confirm their similarity.

 


So, this is the actual list then?

Z = IF ZLF
Zi = TB ZLF
ZX = IF ZLC
ZXi = TB ZLC

So where does the Z+ fit into this?
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WOOOOWWW!!! mhnh007 this makes a lot of sense; if it is true then it means the whole series is all mixed up and yes, somebody might start applying out there.

they will probably argue the "i" means the zephylium and zeph/carbon is right after the top ply; the "i" means something like "instant" to express the zeph or zeph/carbon material acts more...instantly Confused because so much closer to the point of contact with the ball. 

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