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    Posted: 04/18/2012 at 2:46am
NA olympic trials is this week. 

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NEWS UPDATES: 

NA Olympic Trials - America's top seed Jun Gao withdrew due to injury. 1st alternate Judy Hugh to join Ariel, Lily, and Erica in Cary, NC.

NA Trials - Player Change. Pierre-Luc Theriault (CAN) replaces "Eugene" Wang Zhen (CAN)


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Gao Jun was probably USA's best chance to get to the olympics. I guess that gives the youngsters more of a chance though

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I am sorry for Gao Jun.  I just hope she did not withdraw under pressure to give the younger player the chance.  There is a lot of sacrifies to do these things, it's true for all playes, but with older players with family, it's even harder.
I watch Chris Xu practice with the Canadian team and I really admire her for the courage.  Lets face it, she is the best player on the team, but probabbly the least appreciated.
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Well, seems like not everybody wants Gao Jun in the Team USA setup.
I'm not sure what the story is, but the non supporters shouldnt go slander or defame.
 
I'm neutral. And I think it will be kind of Gao Jun still to accompany Team USA and help them in another way, given her experience and lots more that she can offer the sport in America. I believe she has offered a lot already, and very possible more than a lot of us in this forum, that is why I feel we don't have a right to pull her down, unless you did more than her and qualified to judge her.
 
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Is Eugene Wang (Canada) in this?

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Originally posted by Mudkipz Mudkipz wrote:

Gao Jun was probably USA's best chance to get to the olympics. I guess that gives the youngsters more of a chance though


Ariel and Lily are better than the remaining Canadians (Zhang Mo already has her ticket) and should really qualify, although they may have trouble with Chris Xu's chopping. Also, the qualifying format guarantees that at least 1 US man and 1 US woman will go to London.

Gao Jun is therefore not "needed" for the purpose of US qualifying this time. Her withdrawal makes sense, although it weakens the team (but then again she barely played in Dortmund anyway). Maybe she'll coach Erica Wu in Cary?


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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Is Eugene Wang (Canada) in this?


Yes!

Here's the link to the event:
http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Table-Tennis/Features/2012/April/01/North-American-Olympic-Trials.aspx
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Can someone explain to me the process of the trials? I'm a bit confused as to how someone would be chosen to play in the Olympics.  Anybody with the details who's willing to share...that'll be awesome.
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Originally posted by TTeveryday TTeveryday wrote:

Can someone explain to me the process of the trials? I'm a bit confused as to how someone would be chosen to play in the Olympics.  Anybody with the details who's willing to share...that'll be awesome.
There are 3 spots for men and 2 spots for women (Mo Zhang - Canada has 1 spot - PanAm champ)

There is a limit of 2 players per country for singles.

The men will play 3 single elimination tournaments. I think they are seeded by their world rankings.
So they may end up playing their team mates.

Winners from these mini - tournaments go to the Olympics. The team that qualifies 2 players into the singles - can also play the teams in London - so they can take extra player.

Again there is a limit of 2 players per country. So both Canada and USA will be represented. 
Also Bermuda and Greenland are also in this group - but I guess they are not sending players to try and qualify.

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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:


Originally posted by TTeveryday TTeveryday wrote:

Can someone explain to me the process of the trials? I'm a bit confused as to how someone would be chosen to play in the Olympics.  Anybody with the details who's willing to share...that'll be awesome.

There are 3 spots for men and 2 spots for women (Mo Zhang - Canada has 1 spot - PanAm champ)
There is a limit of 2 players per country for singles.
The men will play 3 single elimination tournaments. I think they are seeded by their world rankings.
So they may end up playing their team mates.
Winners from these mini - tournaments go to the Olympics. The team that qualifies 2 players into the singles - can also play the teams in London - so they can take extra player.
Again there is a limit of 2 players per country. So both Canada and USA will be represented. 
Also Bermuda and Greenland are also in this group - but I guess they are not sending players to try and qualify.
Hope this helps

Wait, so if there's 3 for mens and 2 for womens and only 2 players from each country, would that mean that the third qualifier will be the back up? So if the mens from USA took the first 2 places, we will be able to send a USA men's team?

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Originally posted by TTeveryday TTeveryday wrote:

Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:


Originally posted by TTeveryday TTeveryday wrote:

Can someone explain to me the process of the trials? I'm a bit confused as to how someone would be chosen to play in the Olympics.  Anybody with the details who's willing to share...that'll be awesome.

There are 3 spots for men and 2 spots for women (Mo Zhang - Canada has 1 spot - PanAm champ)
There is a limit of 2 players per country for singles.
The men will play 3 single elimination tournaments. I think they are seeded by their world rankings.
So they may end up playing their team mates.
Winners from these mini - tournaments go to the Olympics. The team that qualifies 2 players into the singles - can also play the teams in London - so they can take extra player.
Again there is a limit of 2 players per country. So both Canada and USA will be represented. 
Also Bermuda and Greenland are also in this group - but I guess they are not sending players to try and qualify.
Hope this helps

Wait, so if there's 3 for mens and 2 for womens and only 2 players from each country, would that mean that the third qualifier will be the back up? So if the mens from USA took the first 2 places, we will be able to send a USA men's team?


No the team must have three members. If Canada (or USA) take two spots but not three, then their third guy will try to get the third post in May at Final Olympic Qualification in Qatar. And only if he succeeds, there will be a team.
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:


No the team must have three members. If Canada (or USA) take two spots but not three, then their third guy will try to get the third post in May at Final Olympic Qualification in Qatar. And only if he succeeds, there will be a team.


You're forgetting that there is one guaranteed spot for a team from North America through the continental quota. Whoever gets 2 qualifiers in Cary will also qualify for the team event (most likely Canada for the men and USA for the women). The third player will then be added through the team quota and does not need to go to Qatar. Probably this extra spot will go to the next-highest finisher at these Trials.
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NA Trials - Player Change. Pierre-Luc Theriault (CAN) replaces "Eugene" Wang Zhen (CAN)
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:


No the team must have three members. If Canada (or USA) take two spots but not three, then their third guy will try to get the third post in May at Final Olympic Qualification in Qatar. And only if he succeeds, there will be a team.


You're forgetting that there is one guaranteed spot for a team from North America through the continental quota. Whoever gets 2 qualifiers in Cary will also qualify for the team event (most likely Canada for the men and USA for the women). The third player will then be added through the team quota and does not need to go to Qatar. Probably this extra spot will go to the next-highest finisher at these Trials.


Really? I didn't know that... but then it makes sense from the "diversity" POV, which IOC is quite fond of. OK then, thanks for the clarification.
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Originally posted by kenneyy88 kenneyy88 wrote:

NA Trials - Player Change. Pierre-Luc Theriault (CAN) replaces "Eugene" Wang Zhen (CAN)


sucks for Canada, I guess - Eugene was almost a sure shot.
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by kenneyy88 kenneyy88 wrote:

NA Trials - Player Change. Pierre-Luc Theriault (CAN) replaces "Eugene" Wang Zhen (CAN)


sucks for Canada, I guess - Eugene was almost a sure shot.
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I saw Eugene's name there a few days ago, but now his name is gone.
 
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by kenneyy88 kenneyy88 wrote:

NA Trials - Player Change. Pierre-Luc Theriault (CAN) replaces "Eugene" Wang Zhen (CAN)


sucks for Canada, I guess - Eugene was almost a sure shot.


Great news for the US though, gives them a pretty even shot at it now, Eugene was the ace in the hole.
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Can Eugene Wang Zhen play in this Qtar tournament Jim T was talking about and try qualifying that route?
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He most likely didn't get citizenship in time for the tournament. 
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Didn't get his passport!
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The draws are out - should be exciting. Ist round is Canada vs USA - after that hopefully it will be all Canada vs Canada....Pierre Luc Hinse & Hong Tao Chen were playing very well. 
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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Didn't get his passport!

Yea I was right, From Donn Olsen on about forum. 
I just checked with a senior official here: The Canadian team attempt to have his necessary citizenship declared in time was unsuccessful, thus he is not eligible.

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Originally posted by kenneyy88 kenneyy88 wrote:

Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Didn't get his passport!

Yea I was right, From Donn Olsen on about forum. 
I just checked with a senior official here: The Canadian team attempt to have his necessary citizenship declared in time was unsuccessful, thus he is not eligible.

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You need two thing to prove citizenship - Citizenship papers and passport. He has citizenship - but passport is only processed once you obtain citizenship - that's what he was waiting for. I guess he's still waiting. 
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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Can Eugene Wang Zhen play in this Qtar tournament Jim T was talking about and try qualifying that route?


I suppose he could - but only two spots are available there (unless some extra ones are added as in 2008; but the system works differently this time). So it will be a tough tournament and he'd have to beat people like Gacina, Keinath, Gauzy, Chtchetinine etc.

Also, if 2 Canadian men qualify this weekend, they would clinch the singles spots for themselves. Not sure how exactly the 3rd player for the team would be selected in this scenario.


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The stream is up and running:
http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Table-Tennis/Features/2012/April/01/North-American-Olympic-Trials.aspx

First match shown is Landers vs Theriault, but they just said they'd then switch to Wang vs Hinse. There are cameras for both tables. Audio commentary by Sean O'Neill and Mike Babuin.


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how does it work? first a SE Bracket to determine the first singles player, then another SE bracket all again to determine the second singles player?
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Yes, there'll be basically one qualifier per day. Each day starts with the quarterfinals, then semis, then the final for the qualifying spot. 8 players today, 7 tomorrow, 6 on Sunday.

Good start for the US boys, but Timothy just blew a huge lead in the third game, going from 10-6 to 10-12. Nice rallies.
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Hinse 4-2 over T Wang , any other results out yet?
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The draws are out - should be exciting. Ist round is Canada vs USA - after that hopefully it will be all Canada vs Canada. 
 
Landers beats Theriault. Guess it won't be canada vs. canada. I think Landers is the best USA player...hopefully he can get through early.
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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

The draws are out - should be exciting. Ist round is Canada vs USA - after that hopefully it will be all Canada vs Canada. 
 
Landers beats Theriault. Guess it won't be canada vs. canada. I think Landers is the best USA player...hopefully he can get through early.
I would prefer later!
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