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Originally posted by zzzuppp zzzuppp wrote:

Well done Koki Niwa! a good weekend for Japan, they're getting some great results in the Spanish Open too.

But I wonder if this spells the end for Ma Long's Olympic Singles hopes...with ZJK and Wang Hao already qualified, will Liu Guoliang risk taking the chance with Ma Long? The Chinese coaches tend to punish players for these kind of losses by declaring them to be flaky or risky, no matter how much Ma Long proves them the other way. Personally I think it would be a travesty if the world's best player was absent from the singles in London.

But respect for Koki Niwa, I hope to see him and the rest of the young Japanese restoring Japan's great history in the game and doing something about China's dominance (which has gone too far for too long, IMHO).
 
Ma Long can't play in singles, only team if he qualifies.
For Ma Long to play singles, one of the 2 qualified for singles would need to be replace due to injury, which I think will not happen
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Watching parts of the vid, its so hard to tell whether it was just Ma Long being off his game and not focused, or if Koki Niwa was playing with spin variations on the ball and being deceptive, ie. doing flatter hits and mixing that in with spiny topspins. He also seemed to keep the ball very short and low with a lot of backspin on his serve returns when he wasn't stepping around to flick it with his every effective backhand.

Also there is the distinct possibility this was all staged.

Think about it, Ma Long isn't selected, why? He was said to be mentally weak, then what happens, he gets to an important final, not something really important because he did afterall easily qualify on the second go, but he loses to a 17 year old that's never been able to touch the Chinese A team players before, as if to say to everyone, "See, this is why he wasn't selected, he could lose to anybody." Because Koki regularly loses to people like Keinath, Hong Kong's players, lower Korean players, other Japanese players, not even top guys.
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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Robb, no it didn't happen, coz I can't find the video....
 
I've found Guo Yue's video. Can't find Ma Long's one
 
I need to go out now, will continue to search later, or hopefully someone else found for us :)


Try this one:
http://bugu.cntv.cn/sports/information/cctv5tiyusaishi/classpage/video/20120421/100717.shtml

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Where is that topic from a few days ago where we talked about who is the best, Zhang Jike or Ma Long, I desperately want to post there. Please help LOL
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I think Ma Long was in a bad form, or bad state of mind.
Keep making silly mistakes and pushing/hitting long.
 
At the start the commentator said that he has improved mentally over the years and is in a better state of mind. And only lost once in the past 9 months on the international circut - against Zhang Jike.
 
He did come back in the 4th from 6-10 to level 10-10 though, but he still lost....
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Originally posted by Vladovich Vladovich wrote:

Where is that topic from a few days ago where we talked about who is the best, Zhang Jike or Ma Long, I desperately want to post there. Please help LOL
 
Haha, I know what you mean.
Each player has they ups and downs, just sad that Ma Long is qualifing for Teams event, and not singles. I guess his state of mind is not up there, as a lot of people think it is silly with the 2 person rule change etc.
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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

At the start the commentator said that he has improved mentally over the years and is in a better state of mind. And only lost once in the past 9 months on the international circut - against Zhang Jike.


As we all know, that match was fixed as well. Ma Long is the best player in history, there's no way he can lose to anyone, ever, in any circumstances. He's not allowed to play in the Olympics because he's not human and so much better than everyone else. He should get an honorary gold medal just for being Ma Long, the most dominant athlete in all of sports.
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Originally posted by Vladovich Vladovich wrote:

Where is that topic from a few days ago where we talked about who is the best, Zhang Jike or Ma Long, I desperately want to post there. Please help LOL


I've found it:

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=48881&PID=612618#612618

Sorry, I had to troll a little bit Tongue



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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

At the start the commentator said that he has improved mentally over the years and is in a better state of mind. And only lost once in the past 9 months on the international circut - against Zhang Jike.


As we all know, that match was fixed as well. Ma Long is the best player in history, there's no way he can lose to anyone, ever, in any circumstances. He's not allowed to play in the Olympics because he's not human and so much better than everyone else. He should get an honorary gold medal just for being Ma Long, the most dominant athlete in all of sports.
 
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Ma Long was serving too much side-top spin serves, should of have more underspin or no spin serves. His side-top spin serves was easily flicked back.
 
Ma Long keep hittings into from his BH to Niwa Koki FH. At the end he did win some points when he was attacking Niwa Koki's Body to BH side.
 
LGL didn't look so happy there
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can someone explain how this qualifying works? how many match does 1 has to win to qualify? sorry im not familiar  with the system
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Originally posted by mikepong mikepong wrote:

can someone explain how this qualifying works? how many match does 1 has to win to qualify? sorry im not familiar  with the system


There's not a particular number of matches, it depends.

Niwa and Leung were the first to qualify, followed by Ma Long and Ryu in their second attempt. There are a few more spots left, to be decided tomorrow.
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Originally posted by mikepong mikepong wrote:

can someone explain how this qualifying works? how many match does 1 has to win to qualify? sorry im not familiar  with the system


There's not a particular number of matches, it depends.

Niwa and Leung were the first to qualify, followed by Ma Long and Ryu in their second attempt. There are a few more spots left, to be decided tomorrow.
 
Ma Long and Ryu will need to play more matches.
7 of the 16 players can qualify. So the chance is high for Ma Long - he just musn't loose more.
 
Yang Yin was trying to explain how it work in the Ma Long game, she said she is a bit confused too :)
She said something like, 3rd and 4th places this time (Ma and Ryu), will play against the 3rd and 4th places of later/tomorrow and the winners will also qualify, or something like that
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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:


Ma Long and Ryu will need to play more matches.


They already played those matches today and won.
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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

I think Ma Long was in a bad form, or bad state of mind.
Keep making silly mistakes and pushing/hitting long.
 
At the start the commentator said that he has improved mentally over the years and is in a better state of mind. And only lost once in the past 9 months on the international circut - against Zhang Jike.
 
He did come back in the 4th from 6-10 to level 10-10 though, but he still lost....


i think ma long is still upset for not being booked in the singles rooster

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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:


Ma Long and Ryu will need to play more matches.


They already played those matches today and won.
 
Oops Tongue
 
I found the draw result:
Yang Yin mentioned a easy way is, the player would need to win 3 games to qualify, if they loose and is knocked out, they will need to win in the next round etc.
A bit complicated, at least Ma Long made it, and China can particpate in the Teams at OG


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so is ma long already qualified? 
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

I think Ma Long was in a bad form, or bad state of mind.
Keep making silly mistakes and pushing/hitting long.
 
At the start the commentator said that he has improved mentally over the years and is in a better state of mind. And only lost once in the past 9 months on the international circut - against Zhang Jike.
 
He did come back in the 4th from 6-10 to level 10-10 though, but he still lost....

 

i think ma long is still upset for not being booked in the singles rooster

 
I have the same feeling too


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I got seasick watching this game.
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Clearly the match is fixed, no way ma long can miss that kind of shot in the second set, leading 3-0 but lost...
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ok here is my rant; i am tired of hearing you guys make excuses on why ma long lost to koki niwa. the kid won no excuses he was the better player during that match.sometimes its not what you did before. as i remember he defeated two top chinese juniors to win the world junior champs proving he is the best junior in the world right now.he simply kept ma long off guard and outplayed him his serves and service return game was very good during the match.please don't take away anything from the kid he simply out-played ma long.

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ok here is my rant; i am tired of hearing you guys make excuses on why ma long lost to koki niwa. the kid won no excuses he was the better player during that match.sometimes its not what you did before. as i remember he defeated two top chinese juniors to win the world junior champs proving he is the best junior in the world right now.he simply kept ma long off guard and outplayed him his serves and service return game was very good during the match.please don't take away anything from the kid he simply out-played ma long.
 
I agree Koki Nawi deserved the win, he played well, even thought Ma Long gave more points away then oppose to was Koki won. He still won.
 
I think think Ma Long is effected by not being in the Olympic Singles. Teams event you won't need a Ma Long - any body can be the 3rd player and still help China win gold with comfort.
 
Put yourself in Ma Long's shoe, the victim of the recent 2 player rule change. I'm sure even the best will be effected (given his no1 status now and mistake made over 18 month ago - if no rule change was made, Ma Long was in already).
 
I think they are just giving Ma Long Olympic experience in Teams event, I would of gone for Xu Xin, so that is a better doubles setup.
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maybe not participating in the olympics singles put him down?
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Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Clearly the match is fixed, no way ma long can miss that kind of shot in the second set, leading 3-0 but lost...


Like I said above and no one responded to, he was just plain missing shots, impossible for us to know why really, but the simplest explanation is usually the right one, either he was told to lose or was so upset and unfocused due to this basically being meaningless to him since he couldnt win the real title, he didn't care.
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This kid plays without fear and was not intimidated by Ma long, he is the real deal and he definitely has more pontential than Kenta and mitsutani, he reminds me of the young waldner at 16. He could be a thorn For the Chinese team for years to come. This win is certainly no fluke. He will only get better with more experience. Watch out china.
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

This kid plays without fear and was not intimidated by Ma long, he is the real deal and he definitely has more pontential than Kenta and mitsutani, he reminds me of the young waldner at 16. He could be a thorn For the Chinese team for years to come. This win is certainly no fluke. He will only get better with more experience. Watch out china.

Ma long said after this game that due to the pressure, he did not play at his full capability. He only played at 40 or 50 % of his capability. He got too uptight during the game that he could not execute his shots properly.
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Yang Yin was mentioned her own experience in the Asian qualifiers.
First you just need to be in the top 7, so there is no pressure for getting 1st place like any other tournament,
The opponents are not the best, but are good enough to give you trouble.
It is awkard and different to other tournaments and requires adapting to
 
And I think Ma Long fallen into that trap
 
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excuses, excuses well if i was playing the #1 player as koki case i would be intimated but the kid is fearless he kept ma long guessing the whole match
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