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    Posted: 04/28/2012 at 11:03am
I have doubts.
The rubbers LP OX is for chopping or blocking/pushing?
Examples: TSP Curl P1r OX or CNN Pogo OX.


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I was under the impression that the idea was less sponge for more control/reversal. More sponge allows you to add more effect to your shots such as increasing the spin when chopping topspin or even countering spin or producing dead balls.
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Originally posted by scdit46 scdit46 wrote:

I have doubts.
The rubbers LP OX is for chopping or blocking/pushing?
Blocking/pushing.   You can chop with LP 0X and almost everyone chop blocks with LP 0X.  I hit too especially with 755 0X.

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Examples: TSP Curl P1r OX or CNN Pogo OX.
I haven't used a TSP rubber yet,  I am not a chopper.  I haven't heard of anybody using TSP Curl P1r 0X for just blocking or pushing.

I have used CNN Pogo 0X quite  bit and currently have it mounted on a 729 Bomb.   I block, push, and hit with it.  The spin reversal with Pogo 0X on a 729 bomb is pretty good.   It is a good starter setup because it is easier to control and still be effective.

755 0X is also a good starter LP.  It doesn't seem to be as blade dependent as the other 0X LPs that are designed for maximum spin reversal.



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Definitely blocking/pushing. There are whole bunches of inexpensive chinese rubbers designed for that. Pogo provides a good mix of reversal and control.
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It's easier to get reversal with OX rubbers, but when chopping loops, there is more potential for reversal with a sponged LP. That's why generally you see the guys who play more over the table shots/at the table shots using OX while guys who try to play away from the table defense use sponge. NOT always true, you can be effective either or. Sun Jianfei is a good example, but he uses OX more because of the service return and over the table shots, less because it's great away from the table. That's why he has a carbon blade, so he has some oomph when chopping at distance. 
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OX is great close to the table, but you would need sponge away from the table, i.e., Joo that Korean chopping wildman!
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and for chopping what is the best thikness?
0.5mm?
1.00mm?

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Originally posted by scdit46 scdit46 wrote:

and for chopping what is the best thikness?
0.5mm? 1.00mm? thanks! 

From my limited experience with chopping it seems there are a couple categories most players are looking for  . . . 
1. Pushing/Chopping to scrub off incoming spin and get the ball back on the table
2. Pushing/Chopping to add underspin to win a point

Are you looking more for serve return or defense against spinny stuff or are you trying to do aggressive pushes and big sweeping chops to win points? The former is best with less sponge and less sticky/grippy top sheets, and the later is best with thicker sponge and sticky/grippy top sheet. 


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Originally posted by scdit46 scdit46 wrote:

and for chopping what is the best thikness?
0.5mm?
1.00mm?

thanks!


The thicker the sponge, the faster you need to swing the bat to provide underspin.  Ox long pips will provide the best reversal with smallest movement, either in chopping or blocking. 
If you are young and athletic then you want to use thicker sponge for your long pips, as you can vary the spin more effectively.  That said, ox long pips are good for a more consistent game as it is slower.  You can still be a very high level chopper with ox, like Sun Jian Fei or Greg Letts.
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Originally posted by roundrobin roundrobin wrote:

Originally posted by scdit46 scdit46 wrote:

and for chopping what is the best thikness?
0.5mm?
1.00mm?

thanks!


The thicker the sponge, the faster you need to swing the bat to provide underspin.  Ox long pips will provide the best reversal with smallest movement, either in chopping or blocking. 
If you are young and athletic then you want to use thicker sponge for your long pips, as you can vary the spin more effectively.  That said, ox long pips are good for a more consistent game as it is slower.  You can still be a very high level chopper with ox, like Sun Jian Fei or Greg Letts.

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