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    Posted: 05/07/2012 at 11:57am
Found this little gem:

http://www.masatenisi.org/english/roportaj5.htm

I have to say the Chinese team is very lucky to have someone with such an analytical frame of mind  as a coach. His insights on serves, or comparative analysis of himselv vs Kong vs Wang Lichin are very interesting.
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I agree with you, and its not just LGL, a lot of the coachs in China are all ex champions (team or individual). So champion is teaching a champion. It is like a good master passing all his knowledge to his student.

I really enjoy listening to LGL speak, his words have so much wisdom and detail. What he says in 1 min is more than what a normal coach outside of China will share in like 10 mins.

Some times I managed to hear LGL coach his players in between sets/game break. His words, expression, body movement is just world class. Compared to some other countries where the coach might not even say anything or the player is not even looking at the coach.

something for you to read-
http://tabletennista.com/2012/5/liu-guoliang-as-a-successful-coach/
http://tabletennista.com/2012/5/liu-guoliang-as-a-brilliant-player/


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Excellent Link....Thanks!!
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good stuff but nothing extraordinary about it... if same thing was said from an european player or coach it would be consider normal but because its a chinese he suddenly is a master, same old stuff :)

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Because he is head coach of a winning team.
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Good stuff. Thanks

Also Zapenholder's links offer some insight as well. 
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Yes, it is good stuff, only good stuff if you like it Wink

I'll continue to post any good stuff I find from the East, and hopefully they come in English already.
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Originally posted by rui pedro81 rui pedro81 wrote:

good stuff but nothing extraordinary about it... if same thing was said from an european player or coach it would be consider normal but because its a chinese he suddenly is a master, same old stuff :)

Do you have a link to an interview of, say, Jorg Rosskopf or Mario Amizic, that discusses comparative strengths of Boll vs Ovtcharov vs Suss, etc in similar detail as in the above link?
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Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Originally posted by rui pedro81 rui pedro81 wrote:

good stuff but nothing extraordinary about it... if same thing was said from an european player or coach it would be consider normal but because its a chinese he suddenly is a master, same old stuff :)

Do you have a link to an interview of, say, Jorg Rosskopf or Mario Amizic, that discusses comparative strengths of Boll vs Ovtcharov vs Suss, etc in similar detail as in the above link?


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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Originally posted by rui pedro81 rui pedro81 wrote:

good stuff but nothing extraordinary about it... if same thing was said from an european player or coach it would be consider normal but because its a chinese he suddenly is a master, same old stuff :)

Do you have a link to an interview of, say, Jorg Rosskopf or Mario Amizic, that discusses comparative strengths of Boll vs Ovtcharov vs Suss, etc in similar detail as in the above link?


lol, nice one VVK
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lol uaauuu really unbelivable comeback!! just truly amazing.... really? thats the best u can do? first off,  lets say i dont have any of those links, what exactly does that prove for u? that there isnt any stuff from them saying stuff like liu guliong did? and if there isnt, does that mean that they have the knowledge simliar to liu? maybe they need to start posting stuff around the net to prove to you that they actually know a few things about table tennis. secondly all u needed to do was watch some matches commented by richard prause all very much in detail of techniques and strengths of players, but obviously u wouldnt praise such a thing because hes not chinese and therefor what he says its useless... or maybe u guys are just too good to watch these lower level players and coaches? alright guys, cant wait for another super duper comeback :) its time to aim for the comeback of the month!! Wink
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Are you accusing us of racism? or are you being racist yourself in using such an example?
(I've seen a few of your post that hints racism, just this thread alone there is two)

but because its a chinese he suddenly is a master
but obviously u wouldnt praise such a thing because hes not chinese


Are you racist?

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LGL in comparison is the Head Coach of a winning team. It has nothing to do with race.
We don't even need to talk about his personal stats relating to the little amount of things he knows about table tennis.



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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Are you accusing us of racism? or are you being racist yourself in using such an example?
(I've seen a few of your post that hints racism, just this thread alone there is two)

but because its a chinese he suddenly is a master
but obviously u wouldnt praise such a thing because hes not chinese


Are you racist?

 
I don't think he's being racist in his posts in this thread. He's just pointing out what he feels is a tendency for some to idolize Chinese players and coaches alike to the point that everything they say is regarded as gold but more specifically more wise and correct than the insights and teachings of non-Chinese coaches.
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Originally posted by racquetsforsale racquetsforsale wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Are you accusing us of racism? or are you being racist yourself in using such an example?
(I've seen a few of your post that hints racism, just this thread alone there is two)

but because its a chinese he suddenly is a master
but obviously u wouldnt praise such a thing because hes not chinese


Are you racist?

 
I don't think he's being racist in his posts in this thread. He's just pointing out what he feels is a tendency for some to idolize Chinese players and coaches alike to the point that everything they say is regarded as gold but more specifically more wise and correct than the insights and teachings of non-Chinese coaches.


Hm makes sense.

Well, this thread is about what LGL shared. And if we feel it is useful, we can use it, if not than you move on to the next topic - imo. Really don't need to compare how people idolize Chinese coaches vs non-Chinese. Of course every one has the right to disagree and comment, but why can't just start another thread with the comparison or Idolizing or a new post about what other coaches shares, and we can learn from them too.
The purpose of this post is to share the essence of TT. I am sure the intention is good hearted and not some Chinese propaganda.

I personally do struggle to find interviews or news articles from other coaches other than Chinese.
And I would likely want to listen to somebody with reputation and has practically achieved something (ie world champion or gold medal or coach with results). That is just me. So I don't mind if it is in Chinese or English or any other language. I can just use Google Translate and learn the essence



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Look, it doesn't matter if he is Chinese or Martian, LGL was one of the all-time great players, and reading how he approaches things and sizes up his opponents (including WLQ and KLH as well as Waldner) is interesting if you really like table tennis. 
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Originally posted by racquetsforsale racquetsforsale wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Are you accusing us of racism? or are you being racist yourself in using such an example?
(I've seen a few of your post that hints racism, just this thread alone there is two)

but because its a chinese he suddenly is a master
but obviously u wouldnt praise such a thing because hes not chinese


Are you racist?

 
I don't think he's being racist in his posts in this thread. He's just pointing out what he feels is a tendency for some to idolize Chinese players and coaches alike to the point that everything they say is regarded as gold but more specifically more wise and correct than the insights and teachings of non-Chinese coaches.


Trust me, I would be equally interested in reading a similar interview from, say, Jorgen Persson!  Or Schlager or Gatien.  Or WLQ.  These guys are all interesting.
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