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Anton Chigurh
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Posted: 05/18/2012 at 2:16am |
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Your suggestions?
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Just a guess- going to TSP super spinpips.
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Friendship 802-40 and TSP Super spinpips
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Anton Chigurh
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Thanks guys. What's the difference between Super Spinpips and Super Spinpips 21?
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GeneralSpecific
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The sponge. The same applies to tsp spectol short pips. The 21 sponge is supposed to have a speedglue effect. It's technically a better sponge than the regular one but they did a pretty poor job of emulating the speed glue feel and still plays better when speed glued.
I've never owned them but I have hit with them before. |
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stefashka
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Haifu Dolphin is just as spinny as 802-40, but it's a bit faster.
Btw - Anton, do you still play SuperCpen?
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Anton Chigurh
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Yes. Well, technically I play a lot of things... shakehand w/double inverted, shakehand with LPs on the backhand, but I play my SuperCpen (Rosewood NCT V with Thor's and Omega IV Pro) about 90% of the time. I play very recreationally now so I like to mess around with a few styles to keep it fun. But my SuperCpen is my main setup. Thanks for the pips suggestion. |
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Stiga Radical - sticky pips
Dr Neubauer Leopard - big wide pips
DHS Dragonow - looks almost identical to 802-40 but I've never played with 802-40 so I don't know if they are actually the same |
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I would say TSP Spectol 21 is spinnier than 802-40 and similar in that regard to Challenger Attack. The rubber Itself feels a lot like Butterfly Challenger Attack, but the pips are pretty normal looking.
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TSP SuperSpin Pips has the most spin, but the problem with it though is it's almost like playing with inverted. It doesn't bother the opponents at all. Spectol 21 is good, provides decent spin, but also causes more problems for your opponent. Joola Ultra is also very good. 802-40 is ok but it's very slow compared to the other mentioned SPs.
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I tried Dragonow, it's not spinny at all, hard top sheet and sponge, so and not very grippy pips either. Currently using Joola Express Ultra pips and I like them a lot, grippy pips, soft sponge, I get pretty decent spin off of them.
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+1, very spinny pips and good ball placement.
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if they still make it, winning np8
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Hexer Pips is very spinny, spinnier than even some inverted rubbers. Throw angle is actually higher than some inverted rubbers like Gambler Outlaw.
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I used to use it (NP8) on my hardbat when it was legal, but still not as spinny as the 799 pips.
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I was also very surprised to discover how spinny this one is |
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Anton Chigurh
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Thanks everyone for your input.
Right now I'm trying to decide between TSP Spinpis, Joola Express Ultra, and the Hexer Pips. Spinpips are about half as much as the others, which is one thing it has got going for it... but I know AcudaDave is a higher level player so I have confidence in his recommendation that Express Ultra would be nice... yet the idiot in me who is attracted to pretty marketing and name brands makes the Hexer pips very tempting. I hate to be a pain, but have any of you played with at least two of the above mentioned rubbers (or even better, all three), and could do a brief compare/contrast...? It would be most appreciated. Thanks. |
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cmetsbeltran15
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what is "super cpen"
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stefashka
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If you are going to play any of these pips on Cpen FH, don't take them thicker than 2.0mm, otherwise you will have problems controlling them.
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thanks for starting this thread.
I recently glued back my 802 2.00mm for fun. I managed to generate some decent spin. I know that SP can generate decent spin and good players can out spin (controlled) they opponents. I always know that 802-40 is spinny, good to see there are others. Maybe one day I will buy some for fun. I remember one place where I heard that, they used to let Chinese kids play with short pips, to teach them how to generate spin with correct body actions. And later they may change them to inverted or continue them with SP. I think this was a long time ago - 38mm days. |
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Yaaka Xtend PO...
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I don't think it's possible to "outspin" a decent player with any rubber - it only depends on how the player understands spin and works with racket angles. Most important properties of short pips are speed, lower ball trajectory and relative insensitivity to incoming spin with ability to put some own spin. IMO spinny pips just add some possibilities to save balls you don't reach before/at the top of bounce (so you can loop then back) and to have extra spin on servers, but this comes with price of having more sensitivity to incoming spin...
I heard that many girls in China who play shakehand, start with SP on their BH and start using inverted only after several years. After that, their BH become extremely spinny and precise. I felt this effect by myself after playing SP for a half a year - applying heavy spin when looping with inverted become a piece of cake, footwork become better because you don't want to play descending balls with SP, understanding of how to handle spin also significantly improved. So, all in all, it's a very good experience at any stage of anybody's TT life, I believe.
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I heard tha Stiga Royal is veryu spinny.
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Anton Chigurh
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For whatever reason, I went with Hexer Pips. They're in the mail.
Thanks everyone for your input. |
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Just a tip: with 40mm ball SP play lost much efficiency compared to 38mm ball era. SP play is basically speed, and 40mm ball is much slower, allowing inverted rubber players to recover from each stroke.
I played SP chinese style in the past but since 40mm ball were introduced I never tried it again. And since the game started to use 40mm, never a SP player (among men) had any sucess in high level.
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Except for Tang Peng and He Zhi Wen. |
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For sucess I mean winning titles of some importance. I don't remember these both players to become champions of anything.
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with the introduction of the new ball this year,sp players might make a come back |
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Tang Peng took out the majority of the Euro team in the 2011 Euro vs Asia games, which led to his team's victory. He's also won second and third place in few very high level world tournaments. If you don't call that success, then I don't know what else to call it |
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Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL
Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
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