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Which has absolutely nothing to do with table tennis balls.
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Originally posted by Rich215 Rich215 wrote:

I wonder how many people that are against the new ball.......might play better or win more games with the new ball.  LOL     It all remains to be seen how we less than pro's will feel about the new ball after we have time to use it for a few months.  Who knows, maybe a fast blade with Mark V will work better than a setup your using now....



Missing the point and I don't care if I win more games or not. I'm a low level player, but would like to keep the ball we have now.

ITTF keeps making rules changes/equipment mandates seemingly on a whim. To whose benefit? The games? I don't see it and I don't see how changing the ball makes any sense. What is there to accomplish by it? As has been seen, the "celluloid worldwide ban" was a joke, as was comparing celluloid to asbestos.

I wonder......how many people that are indifferent ...might change their mind after the fact when they must purchase all new equipment to be competitive? Or.... balls are double, triple, or more the current cost without any benefit of increase longevity?


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It's laughable. What other sports do you know has executed so many changes in equipment specs and enforced them even at the recreational level. Why the hell should the ITTF have a say in how we play this game for fun. Can you imagine having to play with a NBA-approved basketball, NFL-approved football, FIFA-approved football, or a MLB-approved baseball, glove, and bat. Ridiculous!
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Originally posted by racquetsforsale racquetsforsale wrote:

It's laughable. What other sports do you know has executed so many changes in equipment specs and enforced them even at the recreational level. Why the hell should the ITTF have a say in how we play this game for fun. Can you imagine having to play with a NBA-approved basketball, NFL-approved football, FIFA-approved football, or a MLB-approved baseball, glove, and bat. Ridiculous!


Which is why....I'm hoping that some manufacturers continue to offer the celluloid ball.

I really wonder.... how many local clubs will keep the celluloid balls and not go to the poly ball anyway?

Can you imagine how many celluloid balls are out there? How many recreational players won't even know the "rule" on use of the poly ball? How many will just plain refuse to use it (this of course, taking into consideration it isn't improved much from the current review balls out)?

Keep in mind, they still have a year or so to perfect the poly ball and a lot can happen between now and then. Which, if they can make the poly ball with the characteristics of the celluloid ball, then our arguments are a moot point.
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It's very simple...if all the top players boycott high level tournaments for a period of several months that would be the end of the "new" ball.Wink
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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

It's very simple...if all the top players boycott high level tournaments for a period of several months that would be the end of the "new" ball.Wink


And what would help any of them doing so? Hmmm..

Maybe a petition with 10k signatures? Wink
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 I don't think getting 10k signatures would accomplish anything. Heck I don't think a 100k would make any difference. The top players must have the conviction and the fortitude to make their voices heard the new ball will not be tolerated. The top international tournaments is where the big sponsers and the money lives not at the local or national levels. Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough and come out swinging.
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Let's keep this going. If you don't do anything, and the poly ball sucks... you can only kick yourself for not at least TRYING to do something.

Vladimir Samsanov is the Chairman of the Athletes Commission, wonder how his stance is on the poly balls and the 10 others on the Commission.


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Nobody have yet seen the ultimate! accomplished version of PB.
Hence, nobody can now say if the balls are good or bad.

Let's be patient and wait till the balls have came up on open market.

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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

Nobody have yet seen the ultimate! accomplished version of PB.
Hence, nobody can now say if the balls are good or bad.

Let's be patient and wait till the balls have came up on open market.

You keep saying that, and my response to that (which you seem to ignore?) is:

Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

If we just wait and 'trust' them to come up with a better option, we'll have no time to make any sort of effort to object when they're released. I doubt they would release any balls to the public if they didn't feel they were close to the final thing.

Manufacturer have already been told that the new poly balls will be introduced in 2014. They know that once the ITTF adops them, national association will follow and this will filter down to the clubs. So they're expecting much lower demand for celluloid balls, and will most like drop production to a very low level, or seize production altogether. This will seal the doom of the celluloid balls, and then we'll have no choice but to accept them.

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Originally posted by racquetsforsale racquetsforsale wrote:

It's laughable. What other sports do you know has executed so many changes in equipment specs and enforced them even at the recreational level. Why the hell should the ITTF have a say in how we play this game for fun. Can you imagine having to play with a NBA-approved basketball, NFL-approved football, FIFA-approved football, or a MLB-approved baseball, glove, and bat. Ridiculous!

The stupidity of this statement is mind boggling.

The basketball in the NBA is an official size, shape, and material.

The football in the NFL is an official size, shape, and material.

The soccer/football in the World Cup is a FIFA approved ball - although they do change it sometimes such as in the most recent World Cup.

The MLB has strict regulations on bat composition and has an official ball size, shape, and material.


YOU and any leagues you play in have the option of using a ball or other equipment of different specifications as it is entirely up to you and your leagues.  This is no different in table tennis as you can choose to play following the ITTF rules or not.
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I hope the new ball are not toxic. There are many dangerous and harmful plastics that cause cancer and other bodily harm, such as pvc and polycarbonate. Playing with a toxic ball would not be fun. 

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Originally posted by bravefest bravefest wrote:

Originally posted by racquetsforsale racquetsforsale wrote:

It's laughable. What other sports do you know has executed so many changes in equipment specs and enforced them even at the recreational level. Why the hell should the ITTF have a say in how we play this game for fun. Can you imagine having to play with a NBA-approved basketball, NFL-approved football, FIFA-approved football, or a MLB-approved baseball, glove, and bat. Ridiculous!

The stupidity of this statement is mind boggling.

The basketball in the NBA is an official size, shape, and material.

The football in the NFL is an official size, shape, and material.

The soccer/football in the World Cup is a FIFA approved ball - although they do change it sometimes such as in the most recent World Cup.

The MLB has strict regulations on bat composition and has an official ball size, shape, and material.


YOU and any leagues you play in have the option of using a ball or other equipment of different specifications as it is entirely up to you and your leagues.  This is no different in table tennis as you can choose to play following the ITTF rules or not.

What I'm getting at, DA, is that we all have to play with the 40mm ball, unless we have access to a stash of 38mm ball or can find someone who still sells them. In the future, we'll all have to play with these new plastic balls because the current celluloid balls will no longer be made and sold. 

I was comparing that, DA, to sporting goods stores selling only balls approved by their respective professional sport governing bodies, or only equipment that is approved for professional competition, at relatively high prices, and you, DA, have no choice but to buy them.

What leagues does your DA play in which people still speedglue their rubbers, use frictionless pips, use the 38mm ball, hide their serves, and play 21-point games? DA
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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

Nobody have yet seen the ultimate! accomplished version of PB.
Hence, nobody can now say if the balls are good or bad.

Let's be patient and wait till the balls have came up on open market.


This is like the govt telling you... "just be patient, the economy is going to be really good... we promise!" Ouch

If it comes out and it's utterly going to change the way the game is played, will cause you to purchase all new equipment to be competitive, and costs $8/ball.... etc. etc......will you feel the same way?

PRO-ACTIVE, not re-active.
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Originally posted by j-bo j-bo wrote:

Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

Nobody have yet seen the ultimate! accomplished version of PB.
Hence, nobody can now say if the balls are good or bad.

Let's be patient and wait till the balls have came up on open market.


This is like the govt telling you... "just be patient, the economy is going to be really good... we promise!" Ouch

If it comes out and it's utterly going to change the way the game is played, will cause you to purchase all new equipment to be competitive, and costs $8/ball.... etc. etc......will you feel the same way?

PRO-ACTIVE, not re-active.


I completely agree. If current ball production is not good for workers, it should be up to OSHA to manage the environment in which the workers operate. It does not mean that we should just abolish the current ball and choose another.

As a matter of fact, changing the ball should not be a problem as long as the playing characteristics and the actual performance of the ball remains the same. So if the seem along with the size was kept the same, the material of the ball could be changed AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE PLAYING CHARACTERISTICS.

For now, there is a schedule - a solid schedule when a new ball will be introduced. Nobody is changing that schedule or pulling back on the idea as "not ready for prime time". The organization continues to push for it even know there is a lack of evidence to indicate that the new ball will be better or even whether the new ball will play the same.

I think our game is not broken with the existing ball, so why fix it?
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Originally posted by Leshxa Leshxa wrote:


I completely agree. If current ball production is not good for workers, it should be up to OSHA to manage the environment in which the workers operate. It does not mean that we should just abolish the current ball and choose another.

As a matter of fact, changing the ball should not be a problem as long as the playing characteristics and the actual performance of the ball remains the same. So if the seem along with the size was kept the same, the material of the ball could be changed AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE PLAYING CHARACTERISTICS.

For now, there is a schedule - a solid schedule when a new ball will be introduced. Nobody is changing that schedule or pulling back on the idea as "not ready for prime time". The organization continues to push for it even know there is a lack of evidence to indicate that the new ball will be better or even whether the new ball will play the same.

I think our game is not broken with the existing ball, so why fix it?


I agree with the red.


That is the problem. There is already a pre-view ball out. And by most of what I could find, it's not promising.
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Originally posted by Leshxa Leshxa wrote:



I think our game is not broken with the existing ball, so why fix it?


Didn't you hear? Don't you know? Wink

Our President said there is going to be a world wide ban on celluloid, thus there will be a world wide shortage and we need our President to save us....blah...blah....blah - later on this statement was changed

Besides that, we are told that we need to save the workers invovled in production as celluloid balls making process are harmful but end product are safe.

I wonder if our President uses any Apple product, any body has any photos? I would like to ask him why he is killing those factory workers if he does (nothing against Apple here, just an example).

So that is the official annoucement.
I am hoping there is some FBI or Interpol to investigate if there is any unofficial reasoning behind it.



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lol, try this out.

Go to Google (or any other search engine) and put in "world wide ban on celluloid".
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Petition to Keep Existing Celluloid Balls is gaining a little momentum.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/keepexistingtabletennisballs

Please spread the word to your leagues, associations, organizations, etc.

This has been posted so far on OOAK, MYTT, and PINGSKILLS. And...........on tabletennis.about.com by Greg Letts! Here: http://tabletennis.about.com/

The ball is probably the most significant piece of the game that if changed, will have the most drastic effect on the way the game is played. Let's not mess with success!

Please. Let's not get in heated personal attacks.






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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by Leshxa Leshxa wrote:



I think our game is not broken with the existing ball, so why fix it?


Didn't you hear? Don't you know? Wink

Our President said there is going to be a world wide ban on celluloid, thus there will be a world wide shortage and we need our President to save us....blah...blah....blah - later on this statement was changed

Besides that, we are told that we need to save the workers invovled in production as celluloid balls making process are harmful but end product are safe.

I wonder if our President uses any Apple product, any body has any photos? I would like to ask him why he is killing those factory workers if he does (nothing against Apple here, just an example).

So that is the official annoucement.
I am hoping there is some FBI or Interpol to investigate if there is any unofficial reasoning behind it.



I think the president played one too many rounds of beer pong and decided to have everyone use beer pong balls instead :)
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A great article has been written by Greg Letts (Greg Letts is a world ranked table tennis player, an Australian Level 1 table tennis coach, and an internationally qualified table tennis umpire.) on his protest against the new plastic balls.

http://tabletennis.about.com/od/rants-opinions-philosophy/a/Protesting-Against-Plastic-Ping-Pong-Balls.htm


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I signed the petition.  I didn't contribute $25 because I really to know where the money will go and how it will be used.  I am very skeptical about donations.

I would probably play better with the poly balls because I play more of a fast hitting/blocking game.   However, I don't want to change the balls.  I see NO reason for it.  If the president of the ITTF wants to pay for the R&D to make these balls out of his pocket then he can go ahead and waste his money but you know who is going to be paying in the end.
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No! Do not pay anything on the petition site! The petition is FREE to use and free to sign and free to see how many signatures there are.

DO NOT PAY ANYTHING!

I finally got the BLOG tab on the petition site to work. I will keep the topic updated through the blog tab also.


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Just signed it. There are only like 100 signatures.
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Originally posted by dauntless dauntless wrote:

Just signed it. There are only like 100 signatures.


It's a start and things are just getting going. Thanks for signing. Spread the word!

I understand that many people have faith (thus lack of signatures so far) in the manufacturers to produce something that will work just as well. But I'd rather not change for the sake of change and HOPE they produce a ball with the same playing characteristics, durability, and price.
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I put up a post on my blog http://www.breaking2000.com/say-no-to-ittf-introducing-new-ball/

The petition is up to a whopping 182 signatures!

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If they had kept the ball size the same, there is a good chance the ball would play alot like the old one. I believe the larger ball was most of the reason for the material change. Just hide it under the guise of a new material. There was absolutly no reason to make it bigger. A small increase in diameter results in a large increase of surface area. Also makes the ball much thinner. They were well aware of this before they started.Censored
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Where is the media when you need them, where is the FBI when you need them.

I so wish there can be some investigation (even if they found nothing).

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