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    Posted: 06/11/2012 at 4:05am
Hi all, it obvious that there is a huge variety of rubbers that are under $10. But can these really be compared to the more expensive rubbers in terms of quality and performance? Are they really good enough to be the main rubber choice of their consumers? If so which ones are the most valuble for the price? Don't get me wrong though, i have experienced cheap rubbers that perform really well, howver, it seems that these cheap rubbers are not always top quality. For instance, Mercury 2 is a wonderful rubber, but my 2 sheets looks completely worn out after only a few months of mild play.
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Originally posted by thettnovice thettnovice wrote:

For instance, Mercury 2 is a wonderful rubber, but my 2 sheets looks completely worn out after only a few months of mild play.

most expensive rubbers actually have relatively short life span.
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I am currently using yasaka zap on bh. very good blocking rubber for bh on a fast blade. price is 7$ at ttnpp. zap is similar to palio cj8000 36-38 jap, but faster, softer, more spin, a bit lower throw.
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So what made you give up xiom rubbers for yasaka zap?

Edited by vvk1 - 06/11/2012 at 11:09am
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Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

So what made you give xiom rubbers for yasaka zap?


I was thinking the same. What happened to the vega pro praise?
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Welcome. Gum which are able to recommend to the $ 10 it is Donic League. Good reflection and rotation as well as strength is satisfactory. I recommend!Smile
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It turns out I was wrong about xiom vega pro on bh. Blocking with it is very difficult against powerful loopers. at least for my level. I solved the problem with vega europe on bh. I could have stayed like that (stiga oc + vega pro fh + vega europe bh), but my indomitable EJ spirit forced me to move on and experiment with faster blades and therefore even slower rubbers.
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my favorite rubber under 10$ is 729 OEM.
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I know $14.00 is not less than $10.00.  It is closer to $10.00 than $40.00.

 

I was using Gambler products for several years, first the Four Kings and later the Shadow.  I used it for forehand for a while when I had pips on the backhand.  Later I put it on the backhand side.  It is relatively soft, good dwell time and easy to loop with.

 

The Shadow rubber lasts about two to three months as I play 6 times a week.

 

I use Haifu Shark II now for the backhand.  I still like Gambler Shadow but I probably should use a slightly faster blade to play with that now.  Amazingly I am into my 5th month of Shark II and still going.  My forehand rubber DHS Tin Arc only lasted three months.

 
Haifu Shark II feels about the same as Gambler Shadow but Shark II generates much more spin, underspin or topspin.
 

Gambler Shadow is about $5.00 to $7.00 per month. Haifu Shark II is $8.00 or less per month.  DHS Tin Arc is $13.00 per month.

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Ha-ha.Okay.I can use Tenergy 05 for a year ( hard at the end- but still can).
It cost less than 8$ a month!
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LKT pro xp anyone 7 dollars faster than most 729 rubbers spin dunno good enough anyway
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Originally posted by decoi decoi wrote:

LKT pro xp anyone 7 dollars faster than most 729 rubbers spin dunno good enough anyway
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Where can one get that rubber for $7 ?????
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skip3119 : eacheng.net has awsum cheap+good rubbers. I ordered mine recently, waiting for the shipment to arrive.
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also with eacheng if you plant to buy from them before or even now.. i suggest you purchase the VIP membership only 55 dollars. with that you get lifetime 15% discount

they also have these bargains 10x sales


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Edited by decoi - 06/12/2012 at 11:00am
Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao
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Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656)
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I have been completely destroyed by players using cheap rubbers like this.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

I have been completely destroyed by players using cheap rubbers like this.


how? and is it comparing skills or comparing equipments?
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I think he means that his experience is that if your skill level is high enough, the cheap stuff is plenty good and will not prevent you from beating lower skill level players who use the expensive stuff.  So practice your skills, don't worry about equipment.


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I am about 2100 these days.  I was playing a guy in my wife's home town in China using a blade that was completely ancient and  unidentifiable and a sheet of one of these cheap inverted Chinese rubbers, this not so old.  He was so much better than I am that I had absolutely no chance.  He was a penholder.  He had some long pips on the other side, which he may have used on at most one or two shots in our match.  I would say about 40 years old.  The guy's serves, return of serves, and short game were unbelievable (although, as with about everyone in this town, he hid his serves, although it would not have mattered if I had seen them).  The only person I have ever played against who could get as much underspin on a push as this guy is about 2600.  He had diabolical blocking skills and ability to disguise where he is hitting.  He almost never made an unforced error.  He didn't hit real hard until he was ending a point.  And then, whaack!!!  I am not sure what his UASTT level was, but far above mine. Hard to judge because I would have needed to see him play against someone who could actually push him a little, and unfortunately I didn't get a chance to see that.  For what it's worth, I felt as completely helpless as I do when I play 2500 players here, but maybe this guy is not that good.  Or maybe he is.  I really don't know.  He was obviously not very well off could not afford to buy a more expensive rubber, but also he had honed his skills to match what he did have.  He told me that he plays every day and that he liked the rubber he used best because he was most comfortable with it.  He had once been on the city team (this town has about 700,000 people, so not very big by Chinese standards).  Would he be better with the latest stuff?  Maybe, who knows, but I kind of doubt it. There is a lot to be said for being thoroughly familiar with your equipment.


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I like what Baal has written.  Although good equipment helps, it is not the only answer.  I always like to tell my friends that if I could not hit the ball well, what good is the best rubber.   A decent rubber is all I need.

 

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great writeup Baal...
 
the "familiarity" perspective is encouraging me to do less and less ej'ing
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My theory is that part of getting good involves having the great touch that comes from muscle and nerve memory.  That memory comes when you continually use a blade/rubber combination that gives the same responses, like that Chinese guy I played.  Once you find something you like, if you are constantly trying to find something you like better, all you do is delay the acquisition of that muscle/nerve memory.  Also, there is always a tradeoff.  By definition, tweaking one aspect of a setup's performance will probably cost you something in some other aspect.  So people who keep looking for the perfect setup for all possible situations end up spinning their wheels (since it can't exist).  At some point you just have to make a decision and then stick with it for awhile so that the only variable you are having to deal with is your footwork, timing, tactics, and everything else.   On the other hand, there are some people whose biggest pleasure in table tennis is trying out new stuff to see how it feels and performs, and they are not trying all these new things because they want to get better.  I guess you just need to decide what it is that you like about the sport, but if EJing is really what you enjoy best and you have the resources, well do it.  Life is too short not to enjoy yourself. 
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All the KOKUTAKU series of coverings is using topsheets of 100% natural rubber material, which is known to stay very grippy and elastic for years (in contrast to the synthetic rubber).
My Tokyo-868 -is still serving with no visible wear/deterioration, since the year 2009..
The Rubber of great viability at a low expence under $10.
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Not the black ones which oxidize in no time. Red Kokutaku and black 729 FX is the perfect combination in terms of durability and budget. A pair of Dawei 2008 SP will also do the trick.

Edited by Imago - 06/14/2012 at 2:43am
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+1 on the XP 2008 Super Power at $7 a sheet, best BH rubber ever on my TBS that is under $40 USD a sheet.
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Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

+1 on the XP 2008 Super Power at $7 a sheet, best BH rubber ever on my TBS that is under $40 USD a sheet.



Anyone able to compare XP 2008 Super Power with Tin Arc III?
Am looking for a cheaper alternative for my back-up bat
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Originally posted by cje cje wrote:

Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

+1 on the XP 2008 Super Power at $7 a sheet, best BH rubber ever on my TBS that is under $40 USD a sheet.



Anyone able to compare XP 2008 Super Power with Tin Arc III?
Am looking for a cheaper alternative for my back-up bat

my coach said that mar2 (36 degree) is a slower version of Tin Arc III LOL
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is any of these suggested rubbers non-sticky?
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XP 2008 is not sticky, it's a really good rubber for beginner and intermediate players, mild spin and mild speed. Mars 2 is also not really tacky, It's also in the same class of rubber, mild spin and mild speed, just perhaps half a notch above XP 2008.
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Dawei 2008 has more spin than Mars 2 but, depending on the batch, runs the risk of faster oxidation. Mars 2 is the perfect golden mean of all rubbers.
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