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42andbackpains
Silver Member Joined: 10/05/2014 Location: NYC Status: Offline Points: 623 |
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It must be something in the water...
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Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P
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geardaddy
Super Member Joined: 11/14/2013 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 402 |
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This is called "the miracle of editing". If I'm not mistaken this video indicates that he never misses! According to this he should be rated 3000+!
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schen
Gold Member Joined: 03/26/2013 Location: San Diego, CA Status: Offline Points: 1244 |
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Hahaha it's definitely just a highlight reel. I have a few full matches elsewhere on my channel when I used to play penhold :P
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schen
Gold Member Joined: 03/26/2013 Location: San Diego, CA Status: Offline Points: 1244 |
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Thanks! The difficult part I'm still experiencing is trying to force a chopping rally in matches while still feeling in control though. In tournaments I find myself attacking quite a lot despite trying to shift into modern defense
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AcudaDave
Gold Member Joined: 11/02/2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 1858 |
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that FH is money!
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ahsq
Silver Member Joined: 04/07/2015 Location: The flushing Y Status: Offline Points: 527 |
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nice forehand, do you have any rally videos on looping?
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TT newbie
Gold Member Joined: 11/25/2011 Location: Far Far Away Status: Offline Points: 1391 |
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Exactly. I´m nothing more than an average player, but recorded some of my matches and made a highlight video where I play offensively just like Kreanga.
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schen
Gold Member Joined: 03/26/2013 Location: San Diego, CA Status: Offline Points: 1244 |
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Unfortunately not - looping rallies don't really happen often at the under 2000 level from what I've seen. Plus, there are very few people in U2150 who can return my opening loop if they cannot receive my serves well. But against those who have a strong service receive: instead of opening safely, I opt to play defensively and push/chop instead anyway, and when I switch to attack it's usually to end the point rather than rally.
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slevin
Premier Member Joined: 03/15/2012 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 3602 |
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schen: why the switch from PH to SH?
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ahsq
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thats the spirit of a tournament. what were you placed? |
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schen
Gold Member Joined: 03/26/2013 Location: San Diego, CA Status: Offline Points: 1244 |
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I had been doing really poorly as a penholder ever since the change to the plastic ball. I was very close to breaking into 2000 before the new ball, but after the celluloid ball was retired I dropped nearly 200-300 points. I know rating is just a number but I FELT like I was playing worse and worse. Combine the timing of the transition to the new ball with my moving away from the mecca of US table tennis (NYC), and it was all downhill and demoralizing for me for a while. I think it was largely due to the style I played (very unbalanced, more tricky stuff and power to win points over stability and form), but I found with the new ball it was just not doing well for me anymore like it used to. I also injured myself a few times trying to make up for lost power and it just wasn't a good time (rotator cuff injuries, back strains, finger cramps). My right middle finger also appears to be permanently slightly crooked I think from my RPB grip. As much as I loved my penhold backhand, I decided it wasn't worth it because I need the full functionality of my body as a professional musician. For shakehand, I realized that all but one of the 7 main coaches I've had in my time playing were short pip users and I had been given a LOT of insight on their use even while training as a penholder. I also realized in my YouTube history of watching TT videos that I really liked watching modern defenders with short pips (Ding Song, Guang Qing Feng, Hou Yingchao), even more than my penhold idols. And with the coaching resources available to me in San Diego (Stellan Bengtsson, Perry Schwartzberg, DJ and Earl Alto), it dawned on me that it's a good of a time as any to become a short pip chopper!
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schen
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I think I made it to the quarterfinals for the first tournament. The second tournament (in the green room) I did not place.
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berkeleydoctor
Silver Member Joined: 01/06/2010 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 699 |
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curious why short pip chopper instead of long pip?
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schen
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For me, it's easier to manipulate the spin on pushes and chops, plus short pips allows for an optional stronger close-table offensive game.
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dmras
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berkeleydoctor
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that is awesome
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TurboZ
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So sad to see one less penholder around...
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Prasiddhathepro
Beginner Joined: 06/13/2015 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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"This Kid" is me and i think someone who beat Rich Dewitt and Phillipe Dassonval doesn't have a "lazy" game. Also considering he beat a 2278 and won the u2200 in the same tournament. My wrist gives me all the power and i don't need to bend my knees when I am controlling the match. No offense NL.
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viva
Silver Member Joined: 02/17/2011 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 645 |
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Monster23 made that "lazy" comment not NL, NL infact compared you to to Crisan just saying. Nice playing btw.
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benfb
Platinum Member Joined: 10/10/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2709 |
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I'm pondering what to say to this, because I find it very unsettling. 1) Yes, it's impressive that you beat Rich and Phillipe and you are correspondingly stronger than NL. 2) On the other hand, you clearly were being lazy in this video and claiming that you weren't being lazy here because you had success elsewhere is nonsensical. 3) It may be that you felt you could play lazily because you were sure you'd win this match. On the video you don't look that much like you're in control, but it's just a club match and people often don't make their best effort in friendly matches where they feel they are the stronger player. We've all been there where we put out just enough effort to win. 4) No, your wrist doesn't give you all the power you need -- the main difference on this video was NL lack of mobility. Your advantages are speed and better technique, although that wasn't really demonstrated here. 5) The right response here was "hey, I knew he couldn't move and that I didn't need my best effort to win. If you want to see my better play, find some of my other matches like with DeWitt." People can be pretty nasty online when viewing other people's videos and I can understand that might hurt. You just need to be the more mature person and take a positive attitude. |
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kenneyy88
Premier Member Joined: 01/06/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4074 |
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Prasiddhathepro has a nice BH follow through. I sympathize with Prasiddhathepro, I'm a similar height and its a lot of work/pain to keep bending down especially when you are levels better than your opponent.
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BRS
Gold Member Joined: 05/08/2013 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1584 |
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I would take 'lazy playing style' as a compliment. That's what I aspire to, to look like I am not really trying while beating a ~2000 player (or anybody really). You could just as well call it an *easy* playing style, or *relaxed*, or whatever. That's better than looking like you are running the marathon or powerlifting.
@benfb I am unsettled by your decision to tell people what words to use to express themselves, and by extension what to think. That's not right. The correct response is whatever P the P feels like saying, because it comes from him honestly. You can translate his response to Monster23 roughly to 'I'm a very good player, probably better than you, so shut up.' Personally I like that response. But whether I like it or you don't like it doesn't matter, it's not ours to say.
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NextLevel
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The point of the video was to advertise the young player - maybe it was a bad selection given I can't move anymore - now I feel bad for posting it because it seems to be bringing out some darker and moral aspects of people.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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benfb
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Actually, I was trying to be nice. My first reaction was that his post was a jerk response, showing a lack of respect for his opponent, himself, and the game. Then I thought that maybe he just took it hard because some of the posts directed towards him were pretty direct and unkind. So I was saying "hey, if some of those posts hurt, there were better ways to respond." There are only two times where a clear lack of effort are justified: either you're exhausted (e.g., he's been drilling multiball before playing NL), or you're just playing around and whatever you're doing doesn't matter (such as if his opponent has been a cousin he doesn't know how to play, not a decent player trying hard). The rest of the time, if you're going to do something, do it right and work at it. He's entitled to his own opinion, but arrogance or disrespect don't bode well for his future life, either as an adult or as a player.
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benfb
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My understanding from NL's post is that he's 5'10", which is hardly "tall". At that age and that height, bending his knees should be about as hard as talking. It would be quite different for a player like Jim Butler, who is both much taller and has a pretty beat up and aging body.
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benfb
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The video was fine, the real problem started with the posts afterwards. I don't want to pick on the kid -- he's only 13, after all. That's why my first post was intended to cut him some slack. At the same time, 13 is an age where feedback on character issues is as important as feedback on technique. And if I really want him to grow up as a strong player, then it's worth teaching him now to always focus. Anyway, I'm done posting on this issue. But I would like to see a video of his match against Dewitt -- and I won't complain about his play, either.
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ahsq
Silver Member Joined: 04/07/2015 Location: The flushing Y Status: Offline Points: 527 |
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take a chill pill. how the kid wants to play is his business. if he wants to play "lazy style" or "hyper ma-long style" then he gets to play "lazy style" or "hyper ma-long style"
This is america where people have choices. if PP wants to go the route he is going then let him, if later on he encounters defeat as it is going to happen then he will pick it up. |
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shay2be
Silver Member Joined: 04/20/2011 Location: usa Status: Offline Points: 750 |
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Ok let me chime in a little bit and say my perspective
I play prasiddha a lot.. in fact, almost everyday and my style is traditional, "correct", active and IMO, my style is pretty physical Now, me and prasiddha usually split, maybe i have a slight advantage as far as records go NL and Prasiddha are more than capable of beating me even though i bend my knees, run around, and loop all the time Just from my experience, just because you bend your knees and loop and feel dog tired does not translate into wins but honestly, there are times when im like, but he just stands there and blocks everything till I miss! and if that game works, there is nothing wrong with continuing to play that way, regardless of bending one's knees or not there is one table tennis master at the club named Herbert and he once told me, Never change a winning game, only change a losing one my thing is, unless one actually defeats their opponent in a tournament, dont critique the opponent's game because either you do not know what actually happened because you did not play the player (prasidda) or whatever you thought was going to work didnt (you lost)
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benfb
Platinum Member Joined: 10/10/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2709 |
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And if you were talking about some 40 year old guy who is unlikely to improve the rest of his life, then I'd be fine with your conclusions. Instead, you're talking about a 13 year old who probably has more ambition than to stay at his current level. Winning now says nothing about winning later, at a higher level. To get better, he will have to change, even if he's already winning.
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NextLevel
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Let's try to move on from the discussion about knee bending - here is my latest match vs. DeWitt.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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