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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

My wins in the O40 PA State Event.

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Couldn't play after because my right knee issues were aggravated but I was proud of the wins.
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

My wins in the O40 PA State Event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm-Gt7_yMuM

Couldn't play after because my right knee issues were aggravated but I was proud of the wins.
Nice play. 
I had issues (right shoulder) once and stopped table tennis completely for 2 months until a complete recovery.
Thanks.  Yeah, I would do that but I have RA so I never know whether anything will ever heal.


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It's been a long time since I've posted a video of my playing or even bothered to record and look at one.  This one was an eye opener in that I had not realized how much I had fallen into the habit of "safely" pushing back almost every serve. That's a pretty bad habit.


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Bad habit hmmmm
I only watched the first game but your returns gave your opponent lots of problems and he could not get in his 3rd ball attacks with any consistency. But yes, mix that with a more aggressive attack now and then.

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I'm not sure that pushing so much was a bad idea here.  Maybe you had subconsciously figured out that it was your best strategy with this opponent.  He clearly had trouble with his attack, particularly attacking underspin.  When you pushed, he either pushed back (setting you up for a good attack) or he attacked (with a low percentage of success).  In the rallies where you started the aggression first, that allowed him to loop or block top spin and he did much better in those rallies.
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Please keep in mind that Jay plays hardbat so there isn't that much underspin on the ball. Ashutosh generally doesn't like the serve returns fairly short and low as he doesn't move in well. He likes to play fast and if he gets in the ball in his strike zone his loops are very good. It certainly helps that I know both players...

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Originally posted by Matt Pimple Matt Pimple wrote:

Please keep in mind that Jay plays hardbat so there isn't that much underspin on the ball. Ashutosh generally doesn't like the serve returns fairly short and low as he doesn't move in well. He likes to play fast and if he gets in the ball in his strike zone his loops are very good. I certainly helps that I know both players...

I know Jay and I had the same impression about Ashutosh just from watching the videos.  I just thought that Jay played smart and didn't need to be down on himself.
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

I just thought that Jay played smart and didn't need to be down on himself.

I agree with you on that!
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

I'm not sure that pushing so much was a bad idea here.  Maybe you had subconsciously figured out that it was your best strategy with this opponent.  He clearly had trouble with his attack, particularly attacking underspin.  When you pushed, he either pushed back (setting you up for a good attack) or he attacked (with a low percentage of success).  In the rallies where you started the aggression first, that allowed him to loop or block top spin and he did much better in those rallies.

Even when pushing is working well, I think a player should still be mixing it up a bit.  Failing to do so makes it easier for your opponent to get comfortable with your returns.  And that can lead to mistakes in pushing as you try to place the push too low or locate it with too much risk. I think I was actually a bit lucky that Ashutosh didn't get more aggressive against my returns.

The problem of pushing too many returns is actually more apparent in a match that I won after being being down two games to zero and 9-3 in the third game.  I salvaged that third game with luck and a subtle change in serve strategy that revealed a weakness in my opponent's game that day. That weakness was the edge I needed to win the next two games. I didn't post that match because it was a poster child for the concept of "winning ugly." 

Your comment about Ashutosh doing much better in the rallies where I initiated the aggression surprised me a bit.  That wasn't my perception.  I do agree that it is a poor strategy for me to get into topspin to topspin rallies though.  But I still think it is to my advantage to be aggressive.  But I need to make that first strike strong enough to prevent a strong counter.  But your comment got me wondering if I was actually being successful in that or not.

So I just went through and simply tallied up the points where I initiated the aggression.  The first number is the number of time I initiated and lost the point.  The second number is when I initiated and lost the point.  The W or L indicates whether I won or lost that game.
G1 4-6 L
G2 6-2 W
G3 3-5 L
G4 4-1 W
G5 5-4 W

Total 22 - 18

The pattern is clear and not surprising. So while Ashutosh may have been more successful when I opened up than when I didn't (will have to do a different tally to check that), the key seems to be that when I'm aggressive, I need to make sure that I'm more successful than he is. Kinda obvious I guess.  But it is interesting how well the numbers bear that out in this match.

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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:


I know Jay and I had the same impression about Ashutosh just from watching the videos.  I just thought that Jay played smart and didn't need to be down on himself.

I'm not down on myself.  Sorry if I lent that impression.  I'm just trying to constructively criticize my play so I will do better down the road.  

Given that I'm playing hardbat against sponge, I tend to approach matches with the idea that I need to be better tactically against challenging opponents.  So I really do try to "play smart." It is a fools errand for me to try to win using power as a main strategy - unless my opponent is a defensive player or is clearly weaker than I am. While I do enjoy counter-looping against inverted, it isn't my best percentage play. :^)
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Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

It's been a long time since I've posted a video of my playing or even bothered to record and look at one.  This one was an eye opener in that I had not realized how much I had fallen into the habit of "safely" pushing back almost every serve. That's a pretty bad habit.

Nice hardbat play! I agree, you should mix up your service returns.  However, I could tell his serves were very precise and heavy so I can understand choosing a safer push rather than a flip.  I once encountered a prominent full-time hardbatter that flips all his serve returns and it can backfire too.  I suppose finding the right balance and mixing it up is the key.

By the way, congrats on the SF showing in the U2K.  That event was full of mid-1900s.  Good showing.
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Quick video of my cross court footwork that I've been working on lately. Wanted to see how my feet/legs move during this particular shot. 

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Haha nice, did you forget I shook your hand when you were there a while back, I believe opinari was there too.
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That was TT Mission #1 back then haha. Toooooo many names and faces, too much TT to play, too much trouble to cause... :D
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Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

It's been a long time since I've posted a video of my playing or even bothered to record and look at one.  This one was an eye opener in that I had not realized how much I had fallen into the habit of "safely" pushing back almost every serve. That's a pretty bad habit.

Nice hardbat play! I agree, you should mix up your service returns.  However, I could tell his serves were very precise and heavy so I can understand choosing a safer push rather than a flip.  I once encountered a prominent full-time hardbatter that flips all his serve returns and it can backfire too.  I suppose finding the right balance and mixing it up is the key.

By the way, congrats on the SF showing in the U2K.  That event was full of mid-1900s.  Good showing.

Thanks.  But that was an event that I think I should/could win.  I played a tight match in the Semi-Final.

And yes, mixing it up is certainly key for me.  I'm not going to overpower my opponent with spin. I've been focusing on looking for opportunities topspin more serve returns.  And it certainly changes the dynamic of the match and helps make my opponents less comfortable.  It also helps make me more confident with other backhand shots.
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Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

That was TT Mission #1 back then haha. Toooooo many names and faces, too much TT to play, too much trouble to cause... :D

I still go there once/twice a week to play and practice as you can see. Its our usual meet up spot since everyone i train with lives around queens for the most part.

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I played a close match with the top junior from my club at the San Diego Open last week.

edit:  took down video for now, video quality issue, will be back later

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I live in the Queens area around NYITTC in Flushing, NY. Where is this Korean table tennis club and how much is membership? NYITTC's 80$ a month is more expensive than my gym membership...
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I live in the Queens area around NYITTC in Flushing, NY. Where is this Korean table tennis club and how much is membership? NYITTC's 80$ a month is more expensive than my gym membership...

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Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

Originally posted by GTeaLatte GTeaLatte wrote:

I live in the Queens area around NYITTC in Flushing, NY. Where is this Korean table tennis club and how much is membership? NYITTC's 80$ a month is more expensive than my gym membership...


That's expensive! $840 a year membership?? That's the same price as my 5-person family membership.
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I liked it when you played modern defender briefly.
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I liked it when you played modern defender briefly.

Me too haha.  I still do it for fun every now and then, but in the end I play better as a penholder despite being prone to injury more often with that grip and play style.
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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:


I liked it when you played modern defender briefly.

Me too haha.  I still do it for fun every now and then, but in the end I play better as a penholder despite being prone to injury more often with that grip and play style.

I was rewatching your compilation video of you playing defender and you're probably right. As fun as it was to watch, your real points seemed to have been won by attacking, even with your short pips (Spectol if I remember correctly?).

You seemed to have a pretty good handle on how to play shakehand. If you're prone to injury playing penhold, why not play as an attacking shakehand player.

I've become more and more disillusioned by short pips lately. I feel that you can play a nice flat hitting game even better with inverted rubber ever since the new ball came out. For it to even be actually weird I think one would have to attack with a long pip a la Deng Yaping or Ai Fukuhara when she used Feint Long 3 to attack on the backhand. As far as short pip chopping goes, again, because of the new ball I think you would be better off chopping with a slow and spinny inverted rubber to generate spin or with a long pip to reverse spin.

At first I thought that with the increased control of the new ball short pips would make a resurgence but it seems to have done the opposite.
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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Originally posted by schen schen wrote:

Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:


I liked it when you played modern defender briefly.

Me too haha.  I still do it for fun every now and then, but in the end I play better as a penholder despite being prone to injury more often with that grip and play style.

I was rewatching your compilation video of you playing defender and you're probably right. As fun as it was to watch, your real points seemed to have been won by attacking, even with your short pips (Spectol if I remember correctly?).

You seemed to have a pretty good handle on how to play shakehand. If you're prone to injury playing penhold, why not play as an attacking shakehand player.

I've become more and more disillusioned by short pips lately. I feel that you can play a nice flat hitting game even better with inverted rubber ever since the new ball came out. For it to even be actually weird I think one would have to attack with a long pip a la Deng Yaping or Ai Fukuhara when she used Feint Long 3 to attack on the backhand. As far as short pip chopping goes, again, because of the new ball I think you would be better off chopping with a slow and spinny inverted rubber to generate spin or with a long pip to reverse spin.

At first I thought that with the increased control of the new ball short pips would make a resurgence but it seems to have done the opposite.

I agree about the short pips attacking difficulty with the plastic ball (at least difficult with thin sponge spectol).  As a chopper, when I did attack it was rarely done with my pips for that reason.

And the reason I never played the inverted two-wing offensive shakehand style was because my shakehand backhand was just awful Pinch.
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Trying to adjust my backhand stroke to use less wrist, more forearm. Using lots of wrist hasn't worked well for me in the plastic ball era. I'm topspinning here vs classic penhold (and often nasty) short pips blocking.





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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Trying to adjust my backhand stroke to use less wrist, more forearm. Using lots of wrist hasn't worked well for me in the plastic ball era. I'm topspinning here vs classic penhold (and often nasty) short pips blocking.

I've always used the forearm style for BH loops instead of the wristy motion.  However, I notice that many juniors who get training from Chinese coaches favor a stroke that is mostly wrist, rather than forearm.  So, I've wondered from time to time if I should switch to using more wrist and less forearm.  What makes you think that more forearm will work better with plastic balls?

I will say that if you're going to step off the table, you might want to add some body rotation to your forearm stroke.  I don't do a big body rotation (I lose my consistency when I try too much) but some rotation adds both power and increases the size of the hitting zone (aiding consistency).  The forearm only motion works best when you're close  to the table.

By the way, one of my practice partners also hits short pips to my BH.  It's different practice from spinning against smooth because the ball is slow and with less spin.  I think you're going to need to practice against both SP and smooth.


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Not sure what you mean by lots of wrist, heavyspin, but those are the best backhands I have seen you hit with any ball.

I have been backhand looping against all types of surfaces and spins for 4 years and I think the ficersity helps but less spin makes the technique better. I meed to read better.

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