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Originally posted by ttplayer92 ttplayer92 wrote:

zhou sidespin loop is really devastating. Look how far he comes over the ball when he puts it away, Xu xin usually has no problem returning loops from far away but zhou yu's sidespin loops were dynamite. I thought Fang Bo was the future but if Zhou steps up his backhand to be more consistent and less wristy, I think we have a zhang jike with a better forehand

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Originally posted by vutiendat1337 vutiendat1337 wrote:

lol, overhyped

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Both Xu Xin and Zhou Yu signed the scorecard with their right hands. I'm pretty sure I saw Hao Shuai do the same thing a couple weeks ago.  I know Jun Mizutani is really right-handed too.  What's with making everyone learn table tennis with their off hands?  Does coming in from the left side really gain you that much advantage?

I just read that no left-handed Chinese player has won the olympics or a world championship.  What about from other countries?  Does anyone know?
 
I suppose they could all be ambidextrous....right?
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In writing Chinese, it is easier to write with the right hand.
It is common that left handers learn to write with the right.
But other than that - Chop sticks, table tennis racket etc is all with the left.

Same with Wang Nan too. And she won the olympics/world champs
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Stellan Bengsston is the only lefty to win the world's I am aware of.

Lefties play right handers all the time, generally, while righties seldom play lefties.  So lefties are more accustomed to playing righties, giving lefties some advantage.

The could be ambi, or they might lefties forced to learn to write with their right hand.
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Both Xu Xin and Zhou Yu signed the scorecard with their right hands. I'm pretty sure I saw Hao Shuai do the same thing a couple weeks ago.  I know Jun Mizutani is really right-handed too. 
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I think in China & Japan, when a left-handed child learns how to write, the parents force the child to use the right hand.  That was the situation back then.
 
In the western countries, parents just let the child use whichever hand the child prefers to use to write.  Parents in the western countries just don't force the left-handed child to use right hand to write.
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I don't think those guys were right-handed but trained to use left hand to play TT - they were left-handed to begin with. 


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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Both Xu Xin and Zhou Yu signed the scorecard with their right hands. I'm pretty sure I saw Hao Shuai do the same thing a couple weeks ago.  I know Jun Mizutani is really right-handed too. 
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I think in China & Japan, when a left-handed child learns how to write, the parents force the child to use the right hand.  That was the situation back then.
 
In the western countries, parents just let the child use whichever hand the child prefers to use to write.  Parents in the western countries just don't force the left-handed child to use right hand to write.
 


Correct, and also as I said above, it is easier to write with the right hand - base on how the characters are formed.

A lefty that can write with a right is actually very cool.
Left hand holds an eraser, the right hand a pencil. I thought that was quite cool lol
I also know one person that can use chopsticks with both hands
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Interesting, thanks for the cultural enlightenment on right hand writing and the info on champion lefties.

I heard an announcer once say Jun Mizutani was really right handed and forced to play table tennis with his left.  The Olympics page corroborates that story.  I wonder if he's unique in that regard.
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Is there a youtube version of Zhou Yu vs Muramatsu Yuto?
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Originally posted by Backhand Short Backhand Short wrote:

Interesting, thanks for the cultural enlightenment on right hand writing and the info on champion lefties.

I heard an announcer once say Jun Mizutani was really right handed and forced to play table tennis with his left.  The Olympics page corroborates that story.  I wonder if he's unique in that regard.


I don't know much about Jun Mizutani - sorry.

However I feel for racket sport - forcing may be indeed more difficlut than oppose to a sport that uses both hands - ie Baseball, basketball, Cricket etc
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Is there a youtube version of Zhou Yu vs Muramatsu Yuto?

pretty short video, lolol


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^ Not bad for a 15/16 year old. (Muramatsu.)

Originally posted by Backhand Short Backhand Short wrote:

 

I just read that no left-handed Chinese player has won the olympics or a world championship.  What about from other countries?  Does anyone know?
 





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Originally posted by cmetsbeltran15 cmetsbeltran15 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Is there a youtube version of Zhou Yu vs Muramatsu Yuto?

pretty short video, lolol


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Originally posted by Anderni Anderni wrote:

^ Not bad for a 15/16 year old. (Muramatsu.)


I'll show you not bad for a 16 year old 





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There are many good Chinese teenagers like Lin, Song Hongyuan and others. ;) But I can still be impressed by a 16 year old defender.



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I'll show you not bad for a 16 year old.

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A direct link of those two videos will be great.
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

I'll show you not bad for a 16 year old.

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A direct link of those two videos will be great.

Hey skip, here they are:

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsh9--VNK0E [Lin Gaoyuan-Oh Sang Eun, Korea Open 2011]

2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlNlRIB-RSU [Patrick Baum vs Lin Gaoyuan, Korea Open 2011]

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 Anyone could find the direct links, its easy

When you "Quote" the post with the embedded videos you could see the "Youtube video identities" of all the embedded videos, so when I quoted that post I found:

vsh9--VNK0E  (for the 1st video)

and  

UlNlRIB-RSU (for the 2nd video)

Now, the general form of a youtube video address is like this:

[A] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v="Video identity"

So, the youtube video addresses of the concrete videos (by replacing Video IDs to [A]) are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsh9--VNK0E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlNlRIB-RSU





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Originally posted by Anderni Anderni wrote:

^ Not bad for a 15/16 year old. (Muramatsu.)

Originally posted by Backhand Short Backhand Short wrote:

 

I just read that no left-handed Chinese player has won the olympics or a world championship.  What about from other countries?  Does anyone know?
 




my former coach told me that lefties are taken seriuosly in china, in mid 90's there was a chinese lefty player that use to beat 60% of the matches to kong and liu and was 96 national champion  but never was in the 1st team
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Thank you very much.
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(md-f) XU Xin / FANG Bo - YAN An / ZHOU Yu [Full Match|Short Form]



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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

 
my former coach told me that lefties are taken seriuosly in china, in mid 90's there was a chinese lefty player that use to beat 60% of the matches to kong and liu and was 96 national champion  but never was in the 1st team


Yes, it's strange to think about how there have been many high quality players we never heard about, since they were just training partners. 

These days we have CCTV online streams, so I think we can see all of the top quality Chinese players now in the CTTSL and national championships.



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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by Anderni Anderni wrote:

^ Not bad for a 15/16 year old. (Muramatsu.)

Originally posted by Backhand Short Backhand Short wrote:

 

I just read that no left-handed Chinese player has won the olympics or a world championship.  What about from other countries?  Does anyone know?
 




my former coach told me that lefties are taken seriuosly in china, in mid 90's there was a chinese lefty player that use to beat 60% of the matches to kong and liu and was 96 national champion  but never was in the 1st team


I looked it up, the 1996 national champion is lefty, named Zhang Yong, don't know if that is the same person who coached Singapore women's team with Liu Guodong.

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By Sportswriter Cao Jianjie

MANCHESTER England, (April 25) XINHUA - Chinese table tennis player

Zhang Yong is the man behind Liu Guoliang's Olympic victories.

The 22-year-old Zhang has been a sparring partner for Chinese star

players Liu Guoliang and Kong Linghui since joining the national team in

1993. Playing an aggressive game in handshake grip, the left-handed Zhang

is the Chinese "Rosskopf" or "Gatien".

"I have to owe to Zhang my victory over German Jorg Rosskopf in the

Olympic Games," said the 20-year-old Liu, who had been held in awe by

Rosskopf before Zhang rebuilt his confidence.

Liu had taken sweet revenge over Rossokopf with a 3-1 victory before he

beat teammate Wang Tao to win China's first Olympic men's singles title in

Atlanta last summer.

In the British Open early last year, Liu was so nervous in the deciding

fifth set against Rosskopf that he dropped his bat twice to the ground and

only got five points.

"Six months of playing against Zhang made a difference," Liu said.

During China's run-up for the Olympic Games and world championships,

the versatile Zhang imitates the ways that top Europeans play.

Playing like Rosskopf and France's 1993 world champion Jean-Philippe

Gatien, both left-handers, has become his specialty.

"When Chinese players are expected to face Rosskopf or Gatien in a

competition, they play against me first," Zhang said.

Zhang said Liu's Olympic victory over Rosskopf was the biggest-ever

reward for him.

"I have fulfilled my mission and proved my value in Liu's Olympic

victory," Zhang said.

Unlike most of the training partners in the Chinese team, imitating

western playing styles is a part-time job for Zhang.

Zhang, who got a doubles silver medal in the 1993 national

championships, won the singles championship in the 1996 nationals where

Liu Guoliang and world No. 1 Kong Linghui also competed.

In the CCTV tennis tournament late last year, Zhang outlasted world

champion Kong 3-2.

"I have a poor record against Kong, but I have won half of the matches

against Liu in the training," Zhang said.

Zhang holds a bigger ambition than beating Liu and Kong. "I am young

and I have confidence to be world champion by myself," he said.

For Liu Wenhua, a training partner for the women's world No. 1 Deng

Yaping, to be world champion is a goal beyond his reach.

The 28-year-old Liu, called into the national team after placing fifth

in a national competition in 1989, helped Deng regain the singles and

doubles titles in the Atlanta Olympics.

"Liu is an unknown hero for the Chinese women's dominance in the

world," said Chinese coach Lu Yuansheng.

Liu, who plays topspin game in handshake style, said his skill had been

on a downtrend because his rivals lacked men's speed and firepower.

"I always held an advantage when I played against Deng for the first

several years, but now I don't," Liu said. "Deng has bettered her skills

while I am on the decline. I has never reached the last eight in national

competition since 1989."

Liu holds no grudges as a stepping-stone for Chinese women's players

and he has recently refused a coaching offer from a European club.

"I am proud of what I am doing," Liu said. "When Deng and her teammates

beat their rivals, I am much happier than them." Enditem

25/04/97 12:54 GMT

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Stellan Bengtsson of Sweden, Seiji Ono of Japan and J-P Gatien of France were World men's champions in 1971, 1979 and 1993 respectively, with the late Anton Stipancic of Yugoslavia the runner-up in 1975. Europe has been dominated recently by Germany's Timo Boll, who has five European titles, and in the past Mikael Appelgren of Sweden won three Euro titles in 1982, 1988 and 1990. Michael Maze was 2009 European Champion as well.

Ding Ning, the current world women's champion, is a leftie, as is the 2007 winner Guo Yue. Of course the great Wang Nan, a Chinese like Ding and Guo, dominated world table tennis with back to back world titles in 1999, 2001 and 2003 and was 2000 Olympic champion as well.

I'm not sure if this is an all inclusive list but it should help. 
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Originally posted by hubie60 hubie60 wrote:

Stellan Bengtsson of Sweden, Seiji Ono of Japan and J-P Gatien of France were World men's champions in 1971, 1979 and 1993 respectively, with the late Anton Stipancic of Yugoslavia the runner-up in 1975. Europe has been dominated recently by Germany's Timo Boll, who has five European titles, and in the past Mikael Appelgren of Sweden won three Euro titles in 1982, 1988 and 1990. Michael Maze was 2009 European Champion as well.

Ding Ning, the current world women's champion, is a leftie, as is the 2007 winner Guo Yue. Of course the great Wang Nan, a Chinese like Ding and Guo, dominated world table tennis with back to back world titles in 1999, 2001 and 2003 and was 2000 Olympic champion as well.

I'm not sure if this is an all inclusive list but it should help. 

no chinese male has been able to win,my former coach said lefty are not good for team a1, i think xu xin will retire and never will be able to win
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 Chen Jing, a leftie, won the gold medal in the 1988 Olympics for China, preceding Wang Nan's period of dominance which included an Olympic gold medal and three World singles titles.
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