TIBHAR Evolution rubber FX-P, EL-P, MX-S, MX-P

I tried MX-P and found it too soft.

Is it me, or MXP feel a bit softer and tiny slower than M1?

glue sheets are terrible in general?? use rubber cement.

MX-S is as unforgiving as they come.  Anything non-tacky has to be better, even as much as I am committed to it through the end of this year.

NextLevel wrote: Is MX-P forgiving of positional errors?

At the end of the day, the thing that made me go back to T05 is that I felt like I had a slightly better margin of error on almost every shot compared to MX-P.  I'm not sure why.  Positional errors magnify everything else you do wrong.  But MX-P is the only rubber that I have used until it wore out besides T05 since 2008.  With other proposed alternatives I would buy a sheet, try it out, and often before even a single session was up would know I didn't like it and would put the old sheet of T05 back on. I tried a friend's blade with EL-P and I suspect that might be a better fit for me than MX-P.  It actually took me quite awhile to figure out that I played a little better with T05.  Kept the ball on the table a little more.

I don't buy things without trying them anymore.

sspark80 wrote: No problem. Like I said, I find your posts very informative and quite humorous at times.

No problem. Like I said, I find your posts very informative and quite humorous at times.

the_theologian wrote: Sspark, Please quote an even longer series of posts next time if possible

LOL. Scroll back a couple of pages if you think my post is too long.

Anyhow, I enjoy many of your contributions to this forum. Sincerely.

Edited by sspark80 - 09/27/2015 at 8:26pm

Figueiredo81 wrote: berkeleydoctor wrote: Figueiredo81 wrote: I played and tested all Tenergy's and all Evolution series. I currently play Evolution Series due to price and personal feeling. I love Tenergy05 but I also love Evolution EL-P and to me it serves me just as well and costs me 1/2 due to club sponsership deal. If you're looking for T05FX replacement go for FX-P. For all the Tenergy lovers: Tenergy 64 = EL-P but EL-P is spinnier Tenergy 05 = EL-P but EL-P throws quite lower and is faster Tenergy 80 = EL-P but EL-P throws a bit lower and is a bit faster For me Tenergy only wins at counter loop close to the table while ball is on the rise. The behavior is a bit erratic here, the contact must be clean and perfect for it to work, with Tenergy you have more room for a less than perfect timing. EL-P is much better for several other parts of the game: short game, pushes, block, drive, smash. EL-P is just as spinny as T05 for service but for loop/topspin I reckon T05 gives about 10% more spin for advanced players, even more if your technique is not very good. MX-P is harder than T05 and to me it feels less spinny than EL-P close to the table. MX-S is harder than T05 and to me it lacks catapult far from the table. Feel free to ask me anything about these rubbers. I currently play EL-P w/ Clipper CR and I think it's a really good alternative to Tenergy. There's a plus with EL-P... I played many years with speed glue and I recently decided to get back in the game after 6 years off. I played Sriver with lots of speedglue and I must say I'm still addicted to the sound of fresh glued rubbers. Tenergy is good but EL-P is louder and I like that, it's very rewarding when you make strong perfect contact. thanks for your comparison. could you make some more comments on MX-S vs EL-P? I've been using MX-S for some time and I enjoy it. I use it on my FH, often aggressive FH opening and mid-distance counterloop. Before, I moved from tacky chinese (big dipper) to MX-S if that gives you some info.  I'll give you my thoughts soon. I'm on vacation and I need a physical keyboard to write a good review.

I look forward to this comparison also. I've played a few sessions w/ MX-S, and I find it great if I get into position and make a solid contact. But I don't do that as often as I like, and that rubber sure can make me pay for my mistakes.   

what is your wrist involved with? check your PM. 

DReiZ, how is your MX-P going?

DreiZ wrote: Which of the evo rubbers is the lightest? I put 2 2.1-2.2mm MX-Ps on my SSCB 87g and it feels much heavier than my old TBALC + 2x T05 2.1mm. I remember the later was around ~186gs. I haven't weighted the Tibhar setup yet but it feels way over 195g. Idk maybe its the balance, cant tell yet. Also would 1.9-2.0mm MXP (or a lighter Evo) sheet have an at least ~5g of difference? Because if I can shave of ~10g total by going with smaller thickness I could live with that.

im happy to report back that after one hour of exclusive forehand light brush.full loop topspin and blocking tonight, my MX-P did not suffer the fall into net syndrome aforementioned. It was as bouncy and spinny as the first day.

I think 3 factors might have been the cause:

1. the layer dust on the topsheet prevented the touch and made MX-P react like a cheap chinese rubber.

2. My stroke/stance/angle was off last time and that made the ball go into the net

3. The Stiga table was not as solid/good as the Kettle table I used tonight.

After tonight I dont think I will go back to Xiom Omegas when Evolutions are around....


Edited by ahsq - 09/10/2015 at 10:48pm

Maybe 3 mins or less.