Butterfly Reygundo blade

I'm becoming more and more interested in this recently released blade the more I read about it.
First, I like that it's light (73-78g range). Second it apparently is quite similar in construction to the Kong Linghui Special which was a well-regarded blade, and third the handle is 25mm (slightly thicker than most of the BTY handle sizes, and looks to be same as ZJK handle which feels perfect)

Does anyone have any feedback on it yet? Specifically on...
-speed (and also control)
-dwell
-gears
-balance
-how it might play with tenergy
-comparisons to any other blades
-Reygundo name (wondering where it came from?)

hers is the link:
Butterfly Reygundo



Edited by smash_fan - 12/18/2012 at 3:07pm

I liked the look of this too, but the blade shape is quite narrow, and I couldn't convince anyone to sell me one due to butterfly shipping restrictions. Even though no one sells it in the UK. Good work butterfly. 

At that weight it's not going to play like a KLHS, sadly.

Anton Chigurh wrote: Baal wrote: At that weight it's not going to play like a KLHS, sadly. THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN SPEED AND WEIGHT!!!!!!!111!!!11!!1!!! POWER CAN ONLY BE GENERATED IF YOU BURN YOUR PADDLE!!!!!!!!111!!1!1!!!!! HEAVIER BLADES ARE NOT FASTER!!!!!1!!!1!!1!!!!

Uh oh...

Anton Chigurh wrote: Baal wrote: At that weight it's not going to play like a KLHS, sadly. THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN SPEED AND WEIGHT!!!!!!!111!!!11!!1!!! POWER CAN ONLY BE GENERATED IF YOU BURN YOUR PADDLE!!!!!!!!111!!1!1!!!!! HEAVIER BLADES ARE NOT FASTER!!!!!1!!!1!!1!!!!

I stand chastened and corrected.  I also confess to having forgotten that blades play themselves and that table tennis does not require a nervous system.  For these transgressions I  beg forgiveness from our robot overlords -- I mean protectors. 

Of course..... you are aware that everything I say is a lie.......




Edited by Baal - 12/19/2012 at 8:31am

runeazn wrote: isnt your force bigger with a heavier blade?i mean its arm * mass = forcearm = same and mass is bigger

Oh no.

AndySmith wrote: runeazn wrote: isnt your force bigger with a heavier blade?i mean its arm * mass = forcearm = same and mass is bigger Oh no.

Anton Chigurh wrote: AndySmith wrote: runeazn wrote: isnt your force bigger with a heavier blade?i mean its arm * mass = forcearm = same and mass is bigger Oh no. COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR! COR!

I don't care about the physics so I will put it in terms of FEELING.  

dabookerman wrote: I don't care about the physics so I will put it in terms of FEELING.   I LIKE lighter blades; my all-time fave was an old AN TBS that was relatively thin and light as TBS's go.   Would this play like a TBS or what would likely be a comparable blade?  Has anyone actually tried it?

No, but I wholeheartedly support your desire to be the first. And then for me to be the second when you sell it to me.

I loved the KLHS, so I'm fascinated by this one.

on equal terms heavier blades are faster. Think about it: 1 ply hinoki, two blades, equal form, the first one weight 80 grams, the second one weight 100 grams. Absolutely sure: 100 grams blade is faster. Thank you very much.

Anton Chigurh wrote: Baal wrote: At that weight it's not going to play like a KLHS, sadly. THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN SPEED AND WEIGHT!!!!!!!111!!!11!!1!!! POWER CAN ONLY BE GENERATED IF YOU BURN YOUR PADDLE!!!!!!!!111!!1!1!!!!! HEAVIER BLADES ARE NOT FASTER!!!!!1!!!1!!1!!!!

Wow man, you think so superficial.  What do you mean is faster? I will explain you. Two blades, equal models, one is 80 grams, second is 100 grams. Put them on end of the table ...with vise. With table tennis robot "fire" them. Which blade return fast ball, on long distance is faster. Other blade lose a little bit more energy and it is .... SLOWER. Can you understand for What I talking about?! Can I ask you for you educational degree. Mass of blade define inertia possibilities. If you can not move heavier blade fast ... it is you problem. Hey friends, is there some one with enough erudition to resolve the problem?

neon wrote: Wow man, you think so superficial.  What do you mean is faster? I will explain you. Two blades, equal models, one is 80 grams, second is 100 grams. Put them on end of the table ...with vise. With table tennis robot "fire" them. Which blade return fast ball, on long distance is faster. Other blade lose a little bit more energy and it is .... SLOWER. Can you understand for What I talking about?! Can I ask you for you educational degree. Mass of blade define inertia possibilities. If you can not move heavier blade fast ... it is you problem. Hey friends, is there some one with enough erudition to resolve the problem?

Hmmm. OK, I'm trying to think about what you're saying.

You are talking about two different things here.

First up, the fixed example. The two blades are the same in every respect, but one is heavier, and they are fixed, stationary at the end of the table. So, therefore, one has a lower density (same dimensions and materials, lower mass). So you're saying that the lower density one would vibrate more (or flex more, or something like that), so dissipate more of the incoming ball's energy, thus return a shorter ball? This is regarding your example of a fixed blade at the end of the table, so the blade is not moving (zero inertia).

Perhaps. I would say this effect would be negligible, but it might exist. Not sure you would see much difference, but it's hard to put a figure on it.

Now, you talk about inertia (of an object in motion) being linked to mass, which is (of course) true. This is a different case to your example of the blades being fixed at the end of the table, where the inertia is zero. The problem is - the energy you use to get an object moving in the first place. Think about this - if you have your 80g blade, and you perform a stroke at your regular level of effort. Then you switch to the 100g blade. If you put exactly the same amount of effort into a stroke with that, the blade will be moving more slowly. The end result will be the same in terms of the inertia, so the ball is returned at the same pace. If you wanted to swing the racket at the same speed as the 80g one, you would have to put more effort into it, expending more energy yourself. You are the one producing more speed, not the blade.

So I guess it all comes down to your example of the blades being fixed at the end of the table. How would you explain your claim of the heavier one returning the ball faster, when neither blade is in motion?

I'm not being obtuse here, by the way. I'm genuinely interested in this stuff, and look forward to your answer.

AndySmith wrote: ... Think about this - if you have your 80g blade, and you perform a stroke at your regular level of effort. Then you switch to the 100g blade. If you put exactly the same amount of effort into a stroke with that, the blade will be moving more slowly. The end result will be the same in terms of the inertia, so the ball is returned at the same pace. If you wanted to swing the racket at the same speed as the 80g one, you would have to put more effort into it, expending more energy yourself. You are the one producing more speed, not the blade.

+1

Your sample size of two blades is very small.

I'm not sure what your point is, really. If you think a heavier thing is faster simply because of it's higher mass, you are wrong. This is a common misconception.

If you're saying that the blades have different densities, and so the more dense one is more efficient in transferring momentum to the ball, then you may have a point. But it would be one of those difficult to measure things, and I'm not sure how much of an effect it has in the real world.