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megaworld 
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 Topic: Best 1-ply Hinoki BladePosted: 09/07/2021 at 8:26am |
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How do you put the quote in a box?
Between, my other blades are: Septear: H3NPBS40 and O7Guang Hibi-O Tour: O7Ying Lessons learnt of the Hinoki: - 7-ply ≠ 1-ply - 1-ply Kokutaku ≠ 1-ply Nittaku ≠ 1-ply Xiom |
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Yes, I have D09c 1.9mm on one of my blades. Works great. I also use Globe 999 national (supposedly  ). For my level the Speed 90 is so fast and direct that there's no need to boost any 'Chinese-type' rubbers.I have tried H3, G999, T05, T05H, D80, D05, D09c. I found T05H the most fun and D09c the most reliable. By reliable, I mean that it's the rubber that best allows me to get the ball on the table when making those awkward, difficult half-strokes when under pressure. That's probably why so many players have it on the backhand side.
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How is T05H most fun? Rubbers in consideration for the Kokutaku 3008 are: FH: H3NPBS40, O7Guang/Ying, Aibiss, D80, T05H, R53, BlueGrip C1/C2 BH: H8-80, O7Guang/Ying/Tour, T25, R53/R48, PK50 I have not tried D09c but I heard that it is 'mushy' for a hard rubber?
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Yes, I have D09c 1.9mm on one of my blades. Works great. I also use Globe 999 national (supposedly ). For my level the Speed 90 is so fast and direct that there's no need to boost any 'Chinese-type' rubbers. I have tried H3, G999, T05, T05H, D80, D05, D09c. I found T05H the most fun and D09c the most reliable. By reliable, I mean that it's the rubber that best allows me to get the ball on the table when making those awkward, difficult half-strokes when under pressure. That's probably why so many players have it on the backhand side.
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Purchased Kokutaku Weizhou No. 1 Super 3008. Shake hand FL. 9mm. 109g! Only 2 left at the shop and the lighter one's grains were sloping. 109g had straight grains. Made a mistake with the rubbers, Victas Triple Double Extra max and Kokutaku G-10 red sponge max. Total weight 210g/210+g, heavy! However, didn't feel heavy when playing. Rather the issue was with the rubbers. Very controlled set-up; slow. No hinoki feel! However, I was able to return many balls back to the table but easier for opponent to block my smashes. I guess I'll use it to improve my techniques before replacing them with faster rubbers, maybe back to H3NPBS40 and D80 or D80 and O7. Else, back to T25, per my previous Nittaku Jpen.
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Quality-wise I can't tell the difference.
Tho I only have a low quality (taken from a butterfly premade) and several midgrade Hinoki (standard old 9mm black tag) bats to compare each other to. There's also the issue of the highest, top of the line Hinoki usually reserved for the 10.5mm blades. Maybe the higher quality tighter grains will be marginally faster but I don't know why you would want faster. Standard 9mm Low grade is fast enough as it is. I have no desire to play with blades above 10mm. The lowest quality 1 Hinokis will have better feel and control than your standard 5-7 ply woods and composites so if you can your hands on one of those go for it. |
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Apologies for the confusion!
I'm looking for a 1-ply shakehand, not Jpen. Hence, the 3 choices. Recently converted to using shakehand. The Xiom was a recent purchase after selling my 35-year-old Nittaku 1-ply Jpen (which the handle looks like Butterfly's Senkoh). Regretted selling it, I should have sent it back to Japan for refurbishment. The Xiom was purchased to replace the Nittaku and I was intrigued by the Xiom shape. It is my first time trying out Xiom Jpen. Am contemplating the Kokutaku Bishu No.1 chou-super-cyoutokusen. However, this means start of a new and expensive hobby collecting 1-ply hinoki blades. :-P |
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I hope this thread still works.
I was told today that "Kokutaku has changed its management structure. They are still operating in Japan, but basically unreachable. If you place an order with Kokutaku, you will receive the goods, but the delivery time will be delayed. Also, the quality seems to have gone down from before." Does anyone know when the management structure was changed? ....... - Megaworld If you are looking for a Kokutaku Jpen, you can try TT-Japan. Its web page shows the Bishu No.1 chou-super-cyoutokusen is available. Any quality/ performance issue with your Xiom Hibi-O Tour Jpen ? |
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Hi, I can recommend you buying a TSP Dynam Special. They're cheap, their quality is totally comparable to Butterfly's, and they're widely available.
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I hope this thread still works.
I was told today that "Kokutaku has changed its management structure. They are still operating in Japan, but basically unreachable. If you place an order with Kokutaku, you will receive the goods, but the delivery time will be delayed. Also, the quality seems to have gone down from before." Does anyone know when the management structure was changed? And more importantly has the quality really gone down from before? I was deciding for a 1-ply Kiso Hinoki shakehand blade between Kokutaku Weizhou No. 1 3008 (after reading this thread) or a Darker Speed 90 or a Darker Imperial Hinoki 2020. Currently using a Nittaku Septear shakehand and Xiom Hibi-O Tour Jpen. 7-ply feel is not the same as a 1-ply, hence the decision above. Thank you.
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Since I only have 1 one ply blade, I haven't tried any other brand. Is there any difference between 9 mm Kokutaku n 9 mm Darker? Is there hard hinoki or soft hinoki? Or all hinoki are soft?
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What qualities makes you consider the Darker Speed 90 to be the best? |
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First I really don't like my Kokutaku 3008 shakehand. I choose the tightest grain available from 6 blades in the stores. But I get the heaviest which is 94 gr at the store. But when I weight it at my digital scale, the real weight is 96 gr!!!!
First I thought Soft hinoki blades will match hard rubber. I put H3P 40 deg n 39 deg which weight 46 n 45 gr each. Total setup 188 gr which I found heavy. I don't feel enough vibrabtion with this setup up. It's hard to loop with H3P because it doesn't has enough dwell time for my skill at that time.
Today I try it again with the same rubber that I put on H-king which is mambo GP and Roxon 450. Before I put rubber on the blade, I weight it with the same digital scale, the weight of my 3008 decrease from 96 gr to 93,9 gr in 6 months since I bought it. My total setup now only weight 178 gr, which I found much easier to go back to stand by position after looping, blocking manuver is also faster.
Since Mambo GP and Roxon are softer than H3P, I can feel the ball penetrate deeper into the sponge. I can feel more vibration than using H3P.
I will try to play with 1 ply for several weeks to get used to it
 I heard many good things from the member of Single Ply Hinoki about the superb feeling and power of 1 ply. Perhaps I haven't got the skill to use it, I'll try to explore the good thing of 1 ply, perhaps I will stick to 1 ply n never turn back, who knows
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reading malvin's posts is really entertaining!
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My Darker Speed 90 (also 9 mm) weighs 84 grams, and I selected this weight out of 4 or 5 alternatives which were heavier.
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SP70 is Darker Speed 70, and the blade is at least 9mm thick. I do not know the weight, but it feels like around 90g. |
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SP70 is Darker Speed 70, and the blade is at least 9mm thick. I do not know the weight, but it feels like around 90g. |
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rf20: Well for me plain cypress is plain hinoki. But I guess that there's a lot we don't know yet. You can read SDRamones' post above. Let's just stick to straight tight grains and weight, ok? I cannot read Chinese. Your Sp70, mind my ignorance, what brand is it? How thick? Weight ? |
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I have the same one from Taiwan, but I thought Cypress is Hinoki. You can find some information here at http://www.tabletennis.com.tw/index_1.htm. I also bought a Sp70 1 ply Hinoki shake hand from this company. |
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Posted: 07/03/2006 at 7:56am |
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Good luck Harold. Maybe my lemony scent isn't as distinctive since I only have multi-ply blades.
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Now the quest to find the best 1-ply hinoki blade begins! Thanks all for the great info.
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Kiso is just a region in Japan. It refers to hinoki originating from that region.
Yes, hinoki give off a lemon like scent. Mine does at least. |
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THAT is a very good question, which I have not found the answer to. THat would be interesting to know. I wonder if there is a difference.
Also, I've noticed that the Hinoki Blades I have encountered smell different. I've heard that HINOKI gives off a distictive lemon scent. Personally to me it doesn't smell like lemons, but my nose isn't that sensitive. |
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SDRamones: Great explain. So how we wants indentify our blade is hinoki or kiso hinoki. |
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Thanks ...Haggisv and StefanusJ. Glad to contribute. I personally am trying to figure that one out now. THe more I play with my little boys Visse Balsa Blade the more I am liking it. I am able to control the shot more. And with the right rubber combination - some shots that were previously hard for me with my current setup are actually a little bit eaier for me to do with the lighter blade. I'll post if I find out anything significant. Plus this Borko blade is very interesting to me. It's fascinating the different woods and wood combinations he is using. Plus to me the UGLY blade actually looks good to me. I like the different wood grains. To me it is classically timeless. Like the old STIGA blades. |
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Excellent information "SDRamones"! Perhaps you can enlighten us on the different kind of Balsa wood out there as well? There is the real soft 100% Balsa blades out there, and then there's the balsa layers such as the ones used in Friednship blades, which looks different and feels a fair bit harder (but you can still push it in with a fingernail). |
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It's the Science major in me Before I started buying Hinoki blades I looked up the information and since someone inquired I just decided to share a little bit and share the knowledge. I always wondered why it was so sought after and revered. It is wood, but now I know why it is special and limited. |
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SDRamones, you rules man... Very very educative to us.
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