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aeoliah
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Stefanusj,
I am curious what did Malvin suggested you to write when ordering to iruiru. Khvn, I am positive that my Borko has softer feeling compared to my Darker Speed 90, in fact the difference is very very clear,just one hit with Speed 90 after using the Borko you will note the big difference. The wood on my Borko does not look hard, and in fact I was afraid of splintering because it looks fibrous, so I did a bit more sealing than usual. |
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aeoliah your blade looked to have mahogany or padduck outer plys? I couldnt see good because the picture was not clear, what color are secondary plys and core? is urs 7 or 5 ply?
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aeoliah
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My blade is already coloured with woodstain. Original colour is white, it consists of 5 ply, the outer plies are thin, and the center ply is thick and soft. I don't remember anymore the colour of the inner plies. Total thickness about 7,6 mm.
Your blade looks cool with the waves, I am curious to see your review. |
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stefanusj
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Aeloiah,
Malvin suggested to ask to pick the one that has an upward pattern wood grain and densely pack together. Is Darker Hinoki Tanpan the same blades as Darker Speed 90? |
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aeoliah
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So how did you explain that to iruiru ? Reading your explanation I don't understand what does upward pattern, I think all hinoki will have grains from the handle to the top of the blades, parralel to each other. Did you specigy the weight you want ?
Darker Speed 90 is only available in J-pen (at least at iruiru). I don't know if it is available at other seller. |
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stefanusj
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I didn't ask for specific weight. Why the weight is a big matters when buying new blades? I think each blade has already has a standard weight, of course there is a tolerance...
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aeoliah
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It matters a lot to me and also Khvn. I had pain at my arm and it vanished as soon as I changed to a lighter blade.
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khvn
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Oh, OK. I guess the balsa core could have a lot to do with the soft feeling too.
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mkmissaka
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Hi Guys,
I just got today my brand new Darker Speed 90 10mm 92g from iruiru's shop after an exhausting research with Malvin's valuable expertise and help. I will post some pictures as soon as I can. One question: Is ir Mr. or Ms. Suzuki??? I think or thought it was Mr.!!!!. Anyway, thanks Malvin I will test it out and I am quite happy everything has gone well so far. I wonder now which rubber is best for my style??? I like Rapid Thibar and Mark V most. But I am willing to try Nittaku Hammond, Juic Varites, DHS Skyline 3, etc. Any suggestions?? Already tried Andro quad 480, catapult, DHS Hurricane 2 and didn't like them. Thanks, and have a nice day everyone!!!
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GenomicsKnight
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Hi aeoliah,
I think what Malvin said about "the upward pattern" he meant the wood grain lines are going straight across the blade starting from the handle (or the bottom) to the top of the blade. I have a 10.5mm 1-ply hinoki that has a small area that the lines are wavy. I will try to take a picture of it to show you, if possible. It looks something like the wavy pattern on ttman's Borko blade. I am not sure if it has any effect on the performance. |
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Here is the picture. The area around the words SPEED and CONTROL has a very wavy pattern. The rest of the blade all have very straight lines.
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aeoliah
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Her name is Michinao Suzuki, and from the name (Michinao)I assume that she is either Miss or Mrs.
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Harold
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Ok, I can finally include myself into the list of players owning a 1-ply Hinoki shakehand blade. Recently got one BTY 9mm, 94g. Great blade, powerful but a very nice soft feel. Of course, both sides Japanese rubbers to keep the weight down.
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stefanusj
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I already search at www.butterflyonline.com but couldn't find a 1-ply shakehands hinoki blades. Could you be more specific about the name of you blades, Harold?
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aeoliah
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It must be blades that are sold only outside Japan, so you cannot find it at Bty website. Some Bty blade types are not sold in Japan but you can find it in other countries. When last month (?) iruiru made an announcement that they have Schlager Carbon in J-pen, it has been available in Indonesia for a long time.
It would be interesting to know if Harold bought it in Singapore, which shop and what is the name of the blade. Is it Cypress in shake hand version ? |
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stefanusj
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Yeah maybe it's Bty cypress shakehands. I've seen it on some taiwan site before.
i'm still waiting for my tanpan arrived at my home... Time goes by so slow... |
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Hi again. Ok I got it from Taipei. Friend was on holiday. Kind enough to sms me if I wanted coz it's cheaper than the Kokutaku's I've seen in Singapore shop. It's not Cypress. Why I say so? It's plain, bare , no printing on the blade surface. The handle's blue like Timo BS. No plastic title on the handle too. So after glueing the rubbers, can't tell FH from BH except the colour of your rubber. The BTY brand's nailed just the same like all other blades at the end of the handle. I've got mine ST handle. Availability of 8.3 or 9mm. Chose 9mm as it's more pop. The finish? Better than Kokutaku. 94g. Fixed with Jap rubbers. Very powerful with a soft feel. Love it. Great for looping both FH and BH. And the cost? 2/3 the price of Kokutaku. |
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aeoliah
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I have never seen a Butterfly blade without any printing on the blade surface. It seems strange, but if you like it there is no problem then.
What is the type of Kokutaku that you saw in Singapore? How do you judge the craftmanship compared to Butterfly? And please compare it to your Darker when it has arrived. |
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Harold
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I am not getting any Darker for the moment as I have enough blades to try already. The Kokutakus I saw, a good about 8 pieces to choose from. Can't remember the thickness, must have been 9mm? Coz I remembered my preference for 7-8mm which of course doesn't exist. Can't be any more than that coz they get too heavy. One is a certain version 2000 and it was going for $220 and the other v 3000 for $240 Sing $. The quality bet the two? Can't tell by merely holding. Why the diff of $20? I don't know. The craftsmanship? Of the eight pieces, I saw one that has a smaller surface area than the rest. One of them had a surface not as smooth than the other side (of the same blade). Using the reflection of light, You would be able to see that the corners are curved - as if it was manually sand papered. Don't confuse this with the curved sides for Kokutaku as this is normal. The BTY? Came as flat as any BTY J-pen Hinoki you've seen. The sides are straight and of course the blade surfaces are at right angles to the sides. Great finish. As for the printing? I really don't mind. Fact is it's not famous yet. Just made for the Taiwanese market becoz the demand is there. |
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ryno
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i have seen the bfly blades without the printing as well so they are real b fly products.My 10mm chiang blade also came that way
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The bty cypress shakehands is without printing and has a blue handle also.
I'll post the picture, so you could confirm the similarity with your blade, harold. |
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Is this looks familiar Harold? This is CYPRESS BTY... |
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aeoliah
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The picture does not come out. Can you post it again
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SDRamones
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your right. I only see the BUTTERFLY Cypress Shake PRO with a handle that looks like the TBS and blank faces. Pic of Cypress Shake PRo - http://www.tabletennis.com.tw/Cypress-Shake%20pro_1.jpg Pic of Cypress CS Pro as well - http://www.tabletennis.com.tw/Cypress-Shake%20pro_CS_1.jpg |
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Harold
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Thanks SDRamones for the pics. Yup, thats the handle but I got mine ST. Hey I've reading thru all the posts and have learnt quite a lot. So then my blade may be a bit heavy right? I was trying out my two new blades: 1) Stiga offensive CR + Hurricane II + Sriver EL 2) Bty 9mmHinoki + Ekripts + TSP Real The first one felt heavier. |
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How about mine TSP YAMATO-K, its 10.5mm thickness, allround style play and 92gram.
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SDRamones
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No problem Harold. I saw that pic a few days ago and ws very interested, but wasn't sure how heavy that thick of a ply of CYPRESS would be compared to my Hinoki blades I've been using. Cypress is a little heavier than Hinoki, if that is the question you were asking. Your Stiga is about waht 85 grams plus Hurricane rubber is pretty heavy so I would guess it would be pretty heavy. Harold,How heavy is the Cypress blade itself? |
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I didn't weigh it myself. I don't have that digital weighing machine too. According to my friend who bought it for me, it's 94g. Adib, is yours shake hand? |
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aeoliah
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I believe that Cypress from Butterfly is the type of the blade, and the material is Hinoki wood. I also believe that cypress is the English word for Hinoki (Japanese word).
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Harold: Its Japanholder. Its limited now which I heard from a tt shop from KL. Just living a piece only and the price around US 80-US90(RM350-RM380) |
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