TIBHAR MX-P review

kolevtt wrote: It seems Walee76 has something personal to this rubber. If I like Aurus Soft I won't write something against the players who don't like it. And I still think these rubbers Mx-p and Rasant are almost the same. Also I think Q1 is with better quality topsheet than aurus and evolution. But it is also heavy hard speedy rubber, while Aurus Soft gives me more lighter feel and control.

Yea, based on his comments, one can sense a strong promotion vibe

No matter how similar, we ordered Rasant only once and never repeated. While there are already 10 rubbers ordered of Evolution. Eagerly waiting for MX-S. So far Walee76 is the only one who tried them. BTW, what does S stand for?

I have been playing with Evolution MX-P on my BH for a bit now.  I overall like the rubber, and if I had to guess, I would say it is made in Germany by ESN.  I like hard rubbers, so it fits my BH well.  It is not too dissimialr from other hard sponge/stiff topsheet version of the latest ESN tensors.  It gives me a little more bit that Aurus and a little more speed than Adidas P5 (which has similarly crisp feel).

Imago is sponsoring tibhar via purposeful persuasion the players in his club they will do their best with this or other rubber. Meanwhile, he is using the moment to post his valuable opinion for one or other on basis his own 1700 USATT rating's skills. I tried to help him just once and personally for 3 hours, but I found the situation is hopeless. Even he was agreed with this fact. And the one thing that Imago is doing now is to teach others.
I have nothing against the opinion of any player, no matter his ability. But 1000 players are talking Evolution is ESN German rubber, it is more than visible.
If the factory for cars here in Bulgaria makes with the same quality (same materials) Lada and Mercedes, but the Mercedes is double priced, only because it is with the logo and form of Mercedes, I will prefer the Lada, I won't pay for the brand. And.....
I will leave Imago's wrestling with himself for now.
Good day for all!

Imago wrote: Tip to Walee76: Never wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.   To the topic: Rasant is certainly softer than MX-P and almost mushy as compared to it.   Disclaimer: I am not sponsored by Tibhar, in fact, I am sponsoring them by buying almost every other day one of their evolutions.

I doubt there is much difference. I have Rasant and EL-P both on one blade. Rasant definatley feels harder and by a decent margin.

I bought a couple sheets and glued them onto one of my Viscarias.  (I rarely buy new rubbers to try for last few years, being pretty set on T05, but I tried a friend's MP-X and liked it enough to give it a longer trial).  Here is what I think now.  (1) MP-X has pretty strong booster smell out of the package and after 24 hr, but not as strong as Bluefire.  Based on smell, it is not exactly the same booster as whatever they put in Bluefire, but similar.  (2) Top sheet is quite shiny in appearance and very very grippy in an almost tacky kind of way.  It's not a Chinese kind of tacky or anythhing at all like that, but it is different from the stuff I am used to seeing.  Looks quite different from T05 top sheet which is more matted in appearance.  (3) Sponge reminds me a lot of a Tenergy sponge.  Weighs about same as T05.  But quite a bit harder.  (4).  In play it feels a lot harder than T05.  Not mushy feel at all.  I like the mushy feel of T05, but I like this too even though quite different.  It is crisp.  Loud also.  I really feel a jarring thud when the ball hits the blade.  (5)   Distinctly and without question faster than T05, possibly even faster than T64, although that is from fairly distant memory of T64.  I could still play offensive shots at a wide range of paces but was not in general hitting those really high arcing balls.  I tended to want to play faster in rallies.  The feel was almost compelling me to do it.  Interesting.    (6)  Throws quite a bit lower than T05, but still a medium throw rubber.  (7) Very spinny on all kinds of loops, opens, counterloops.  After bounce, ball tends to dive because of heavy spin.   (8)  Hard sponge gives nice feel in short game, return of serve.  (9)  It will take some adjustment to get used to the feel of my serve with the harder overall feel, but I had no trouble keeping serve low and short as ever.  But nothing felt quite normal.  (10)  All in all, pretty easy to adjust to playing with this after T05, even with all its differences.  There are still some things I haven't quite worked out, but felt like some of my shots had a lot of penetration tonight, especially after a few hours.  I think my level was pretty much the same as ever.  (11)  I got it for 37 Euros per sheet from Dandoy, with shipping ended up around $100 for a pair.  Much less than T05 if you have to buy two sheets each time!  Only thing that worries me a little is the booster smell, and I wonder if it will lose performance fairly quickly -- or alternatively, get better as it wears off.  I have no idea where this stuff is made or by whom.  I haven't seen all that many of the recent ESN rubbers (actually only Bluefire M1, M2, Rhyzm, P5).  I like this quite a bit more than any of those (even though I found M1 and M2 not bad, and P5 useable, MP-X was really for me much better than these).  I am as yet undecided if I like it better or less than T05.  The fact that I am undecided on this point is quite remarkable.      

Edited by Baal - 02/08/2013 at 1:00am

You can get it from olimpsport for 33 Euros plus 3-5 euro shipping depending on location and quantity.

slevin wrote: Thanks for the great review, Baal. At $50, my concern is that it is basically the same price as T05 - if we get it from Japan, it works out to about $64 per sheet. I'm assuming that T05's durability is better than MX-P, hence that extra $14 gives a longer lasting rubber. Although BH_Man's opinion seems to be the opposite regarding T05's durability as compared to Aurus / Evolution.

Maybe the Tibhar price will come down.  I can't comment on durability at all for MP-X. 

Actually if they are smart they will drop the price a bit and grab some of the Tenergy market now.

Baal wrote: Actually if they are smart they will drop the price a bit and grab some of the Tenergy market now.

I am happy with my topic I organized here so long and useful discussion. Everybody can read all posts in the topic and after that to calculate : Is MX-P his choice or not. It will be better if you have possibilities just to test this rubber by yourself!

kolevtt wrote: I am happy with my topic I organized here so long and useful discussion. Everybody can read all posts in the topic and after that to calculate : Is MX-P his choice or not. It will be better if you have possibilities just to test this rubber by yourself!

Yep.  I would suggest never buying any rubber that you haven't tried yourself unless the joy of trying something new is what motivates you, and then you don't care if you end up not liking it.  The only reason I bought MX-P was because I tried it on a friend's blade first. 

(I actually bought a sheet of Bluefire without trying it, but only because I was traveling in Germany, stopped into a TT shop, and felt like I should not leave empty handed -- even though they didn't have anything I really wanted.  In US, we really don't have TT shops you can walk into,).

Coming from BF M1 then Rasant, this rubber has definitely got my attention now

Yes. I will let you know as the rubber ages how it goes.  It is a very reasonable question.

A note on the durability front.  It's early days, but my MX-P has now had encounters with the table already that would have taken chunks out of the edges of my T05.  And it still looks like new.I like it more each time I play with it.