Swiss Open 2013 videos

Mickael wrote: Yes but you can adjust to a new table, but you can't to an old one. Maybe wang practice a lot on old tables at his club and matinett maybe practice on new butterfly tables or something alike ( I do not know what the French league are using right now) and that is a very big difference I might say.

You are essentially saying Wang Zheng is some kind of scrap player, when in reality he's probably very near Mattenet's level.  At any rate, to be frank your argument is making you look like a fool.

roundrobin wrote: Mickael wrote: Yes but you can adjust to a new table, but you can't to an old one. Maybe wang practice a lot on old tables at his club and matinett maybe practice on new butterfly tables or something alike ( I do not know what the French league are using right now) and that is a very big difference I might say. You are essentially saying Wang Zheng is some kind of scrap player, when in reality he's probably very near Mattenet's level.  At any rate, to be frank your argument is making you look like a fool.

If his level is soo good we will all see him in a protour soon and hope somehow he will make through the qualifying groups and I will be the fool not yourself of course.

Wang Zheng has also beaten Chen Weixing twice, at the 2009 U.S. Open and 2012 North American Team Championships.  Hardly a scrub.

benfb wrote:  But if you tell me the playing circumstances are non-standard, then that change will favor one player over another. People who say "it's the same change for both players so it should affect them the same" are not using logic.

i like eugene wang's style. passive yet effective...what's his equipment???

mrdoodzki wrote: i like eugene wang's style. passive yet effective...what's his equipment???

ok guys,cut it off.
stop arguments.
win or lose is nothing to do with the table.
you only can said the most is no luck.lol

Maybe you should heed your own advice, lol.  The dumbest excuse I've heard for losing a match so far... Fortunately it's not the excuse used by Mattenet himself for losing the match, I am pretty sure.






Edited by roundrobin - 02/14/2013 at 6:27pm

Mattenet hasn't really been doing well in big tournaments. He had a great couple of years in 2009 and 2010 but his level has dropped since then. I am a big fan, just wish he would commit to more offensive style, he is like the European Jun Mizutani. You can only go so far with fishing.

last year on august the mindanao branch of TATAP held a weekend tournament in Iligan City, Lanao del Norte here in Mindanao. on the first day, old tables from the iligan tt club were used. on the second day, mr. ting ledesma arrived in iligan city bringing with him new donic tables from manila. so i got to play with both types of tables, and i tell you the new tables were SLICKER and because it was like that, the balls bounced HIGHER and they were MUCH MORE SPINNY than with the old tables. so ya, somebody did try both old and new tables here

you just contradicted yourself with your latest post. you're not making sense

ttTurkey wrote: I see a couple of problems with Mattenet's game if he wants to seriously improve his ranking to the point that his performance against top level players suggests he can e.g. to crack the top 10: 1. He needs to learn how to "bring it" most days, not just when he is playing against a top player. 2. He has to find a way to win against lower ranked players even when he is not in top form. The top players (in pretty much any sport) have a second or third gear where they cruise to victory most of the time against lower ranked players while playing within themselves and/or not playing their best. I feel that Mattenet plays in hyper-drive mode most of the time without a clear plan B or a gear where he can be consistent without being at his best. I thought Eugene's style of play gave him an opportunity to play a few medium paced rallies to find his rhythm and he could have built his pace back up if things "clicked". snip----

Why would you say that?  Did he always lost to lower rank player?

He has done that a bit recently and his ranking has dropped. Let me put it another way:

At any level (1000 / 1500 / 2000 / 2500 / Pro / whatever), there are basically two extremes of player for that level and most people fall somewhere in between those extremes:

1. The ball striker.

This person hits the ball better (harder, with more spin) than other players of their rating, is athletic and has good technique. They rely on their superior shot-making ability to beat their opponents. Their problems are mental. They try to:

  -- overpower the opponent without thinking much about tactics (focus is on their own play).
  --can easily get discouraged / angry if they fall behind in the match / miss an easy shot / end up on the wrong end of a disputed net or edge call ... basically any adversity upsets them.
  -- their shot selection is poor: sometimes they go for too much when it's not on and other times they play passively when they should be aggressive.
  --their emotions can interfere with their play
  --can beat much higher ranked players and lose to much lower ranked players

2. The thinker.

This person has limited strokes for their level but knows how to get the most out of what they have. They:

  --pick the right stroke to play most of the time
  --are not as athletic as most of the players at their level
  --focus on winning / what to do to win instead of pleasing the crowd or trying to look cool.
  --know how to play to their strengths and the opponent's weaknesses (focus on analysing the opponent)
  --rarely get flustered when faced with adversity.
  -- controls their emotions
  --seldom loses to a much lower ranked player but doesn't pull off too many big upsets

I'm just saying that I think Mattenet falls much more into the ball striker camp than the thinker camp.

To take a tennis example (and I'm not trying to pick on the French!), look at Gael Monfils. He hits it harder than just about anyone when he wants to and is a phenomenal athlete. However, he spends most of the time pushing the ball from five metres behind the baseline and then goes for broke from hopeless positions and generally seems to focus more on pleasing the crowd than winning.

It's a testament to his amazing talent that he hangs around the fringes of the top 10 in the world and like Mattenet, I think he would be well advised to get a coach who thinks like Brad Gilbert of "Winning Ugly" fame.


Edited by ttTurkey - 02/16/2013 at 8:53am

close games with wang hao

Edited by nittakuball - 02/16/2013 at 1:58pm

I am so the ball striker