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Wait until you are over 50 y.o. and have joint issues.  And yes, I can tell the difference past a certain weight.  It's like an inflection point for me.  Anything lighter is fine and I probably can't feel the difference in small weight changes - anything heavier is not fine, and after that point, I probably can't tell the difference in small weight changes.
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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:



Regarding Vega Japan; I'm still trying to get an idea for its hardness. I've never used Vega Pro. I have used Rakza 7 soft, Bluefire M2, and am currently using M3 on the backhand. If you have used one of these rubbers, how does the hardness feel during play in comparison?


M3 is softer than Rakza 7 soft.  Vega Japan's sponge hardness is slightly harder than M2 imo, but feels softer overall due to the topsheet (at least it does in 2.0mm, since I have played neither in MAX)


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Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

Originally posted by 128YinYang 128YinYang wrote:

Updated first post. The review is done!! Any questions, I will answer as best I can Smile


Thanks, good review. How does the vega japan behave for spinny serves?


Serves are top-notch, very effective and easy to produce. Much easier to get heavy spin serves with control out of it than most tensors, imo...
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Originally posted by Vector Operator Vector Operator wrote:

I have Bluefire M3 on my Zetro Quad and Vega Japan on my Xiom Strato.
Vega Japan is soft-medium hardness good speed 7/10 and good control. 
Bluefire M3 is harder, faster and has more spin. I like them both.


I have to disagree completely, I'm afraid. M3 is one of the softest tensors I've ever used. Vega Japan's sponge is almost 10 degrees harder, I'd say. However, it still feels softer than most due to its incredibly elastic topsheet. This creates a softer overall feel between the synthesis of sponge and topsheet, but the sponge hardness by itself somewhere between M2 and M1, imo.
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Ok let me see if I understand this correctly. The sponge hardness itself is between M2 and M1 but with the soft topsheet it feels like it's between M2 and M3.
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Originally posted by crackfst crackfst wrote:

why are people so obsessed with light rubbers. as if anyone could really tell the 5 gram difference from a 170g and a 175g racket...

Serve 1000 balls in a day with heavy spin and you'll soon see the difference, 5 grams can be a big deal in wrist damage
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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Ok let me see if I understand this correctly. The sponge hardness itself is between M2 and M1 but with the soft topsheet it feels like it's between M2 and M3.


You're on the right track. But the big difference is that while the feel overall might be around M2 or softer, the behavior and speed is much different than any of them. M3 feels soft and plays as such, but Vega Japan has an overall medium feel (somwhere near Baracuda/M2, imo), but plays with the intensity of a hard-sponged tensor like M1 or Vega Pro, while creating more spin than and higher throw than Vega Pro (spin similar to M1/T05, etc.), but much easier to generate.


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Imagine the spin and feel of Baracuda, with the speed and linearity of M1, with a medium throw angle (little higher than Vega Pro), with the ease to generate power of a T05, and you're almost there! Wink

 
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Wow, sounds really great. Now I just need to know how the durability lasts. I've heard bluefire has poor durability so I'm on the hunt for a new backhand rubber that can last me a while.
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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Wow, sounds really great. Now I just need to know how the durability lasts. I've heard bluefire has poor durability so I'm on the hunt for a new backhand rubber that can last me a while.


Too early to say, but Xiom's rubbers definitely have a decent reputation for durability, so I expect it to be the same (perhaps even better, since it's newer).


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I think Bluefire's durability is great, it's just that the rubber kinda loses a lot of its sting after the tuner wears out after 2-3 months...That's the downside.


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Originally posted by crackfst crackfst wrote:

why are people so obsessed with light rubbers. as if anyone could really tell the 5 gram difference from a 170g and a 175g racket...

Exactly.
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Do we have any idea whether or not Vega Japan is factory tuned? I'm wondering if there is a tuning effect that is going to wear off after a few weeks. 
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hard sponge and soft and elastic sheet. is it like tenergy 64?
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Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

Originally posted by crackfst crackfst wrote:

why are people so obsessed with light rubbers. as if anyone could really tell the 5 gram difference from a 170g and a 175g racket...

Exactly.
Five grams is a real difference for many people, believe it or not...
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yeah sure. reminds me of "the princess and the pea" LOL
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Originally posted by ckhirnigs113 ckhirnigs113 wrote:

Do we have any idea whether or not Vega Japan is factory tuned? I'm wondering if there is a tuning effect that is going to wear off after a few weeks. 


Yea, I'm quite sure it's tuned since it has that "smell" Wink

Not much you can do about that, since pretty much EVERY new ESN rubber has it....


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Originally posted by a1exander a1exander wrote:

hard sponge and soft and elastic sheet. is it like tenergy 64?


More linear than T64 imo. I suppose if I had to compare it to a Tenergy, T64 would be the closest match, but still quite different since Vega Japan's sponge is definitely harder than all of the Tenergies...


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The Xiom guy I spoke to last Saturday got back to me today regarding Vega Japan. The sponge is 45 degrees. Same as Europe. 
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Originally posted by alphapong alphapong wrote:

The Xiom guy I spoke to last Saturday got back to me today regarding Vega Japan. The sponge is 45 degrees. Same as Europe. 
... which of the Europes? I presume not the Vega...
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 I used couple of Vega Europes and I know it's 42.5,it must be Omega I guess.btw I'm new to forum so hi to everyone.
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What ever the sponge hardness is for the Vega Japan.....it's starting to sound like the new Adidas "Top Secret/Tenzone Ultra"  rubber?    

Anyone try both yet?  
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Originally posted by Rich215 Rich215 wrote:

What ever the sponge hardness is for the Vega Japan.....it's starting to sound like the new Adidas "Top Secret/Tenzone Ultra"  rubber?    

Anyone try both yet?  


Yes, I have both. And they are like apples to....gorillas. They are absolutely nothing alike. As far as I know, most of the testers for the the TenZone Ultra agree that it is a step down from newer ESN rubbers in terms of everything (speed, spin, bounciness, grip, spin sensitivity, etc.). However, its main feature is that of its control and insensitivity to incoming spin. Basically, a few of us compared it to a lightly speed-glued Mark V. It has the control and sweet feel of an unglued classic rubber (Sriver, Mark V, Coppa, etc.) with more speed and spin. Basically, if you took a Mark V and ramped up all of its characteristics by 15% and still kept the control and feeling the same, you'd have Tenzone Ultra (IMO). This is why i am keeping it on my BH.

Put simply, Vega Japan is a very high-end rubber designed to rival the "latest and greatest" tensors/ESN rubbers (Bluefire, Evo, etc.) and it certainly delivers a top-notch performance. For the price of it on tabletennis11, it can't be beat (except by buying 2 Bluefires from Tibi, though I prefer Vega Japan).

As for reviews on Vega Japan, I have only heard little from other members who have posted a few brief comments in this thread, so there is not a lot of feedback running around on Vega Jap right now. However, you can read my updated first post for the full review.....

Any more questions, lemme know Smile



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Originally posted by crackfst crackfst wrote:

why are people so obsessed with light rubbers. as if anyone could really tell the 5 gram difference from a 170g and a 175g racket...
Because the weight of a rubber is centered more towards the tip of the blade. 5 grams at the base of the handle vs 5 grams near the tip is a huge difference.

You wouldn't think you could feel 5 grams, but you can (although it's not super noticeable). When it gets into the 20-30 grams is where the difference becomes huge.

With 2-8 grams my stroke timing is not affected.
With 30-40 gram lighter blade, I can barely hit the ball anymore. Timing is too early for everything.
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Originally posted by 128YinYang 128YinYang wrote:

 

Any more questions, lemme know Smile


Is it better than EVO EL-P or Tenzone SF?
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Originally posted by crackfst crackfst wrote:

why are people so obsessed with light rubbers. as if anyone could really tell the 5 gram difference from a 170g and a 175g racket...


I can easily feel a 5gm difference in several setups I have.  Sometimes that is enough to move the balance of the blade enough to go from fairly well balanced to having some degree of head heavy balance point. 
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Originally posted by Scorpnox Scorpnox wrote:

Originally posted by 128YinYang 128YinYang wrote:

 

Any more questions, lemme know Smile


Is it better than EVO EL-P or Tenzone SF?


I have not played EVO, and I have played only the regular TenZone, not SF version. It is considerably different from TenZone, as topsheet is softer and more elastic, and so is the sponge.


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Originally posted by Rich215 Rich215 wrote:

Originally posted by crackfst crackfst wrote:

why are people so obsessed with light rubbers. as if anyone could really tell the 5 gram difference from a 170g and a 175g racket...


I can easily feel a 5gm difference in several setups I have.  Sometimes that is enough to move the balance of the blade enough to go from fairly well balanced to having some degree of head heavy balance point. 

placebo effect. Sure you convince yourself you can tell the difference but without a scale you could never tell that 2-3% difference

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People tried to explain to you that some of us will feel the difference. You keep repeated the princess/pea slogan... You may want to remember that people differ in their sensitivity levels. Take this info and do with it what you want... 
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Originally posted by crackfst crackfst wrote:

Originally posted by Rich215 Rich215 wrote:

Originally posted by crackfst crackfst wrote:

why are people so obsessed with light rubbers. as if anyone could really tell the 5 gram difference from a 170g and a 175g racket...


I can easily feel a 5gm difference in several setups I have.  Sometimes that is enough to move the balance of the blade enough to go from fairly well balanced to having some degree of head heavy balance point. 

placebo effect. Sure you convince yourself you can tell the difference but without a scale you could never tell that 2-3% difference

Sorry that's as much a fairy tale as the princess on the pea Embarrassed


No....it's your lack of feel and sensitivity.  I can tell the difference and have demonstrated it to many at my club and 2 of the MyTT members here from my area. 

Take off your blinders or put your crack pipe down dude.   Wink    Don't make me correct your various incorrect statements here on the forum again....LOL  

Now lets get this train back on the tracks......Vega Japan anyone?  




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