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i asked jonathan groth today and he says that the tenzone ultra has better control and seems like more catapult than the original tenzone. i still find the tenzone faster though. also, i forgot to state that the ultra is also good in spinny pushes and very spinny in serves also. i never had a problem with drop shots or flicks
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Hoping to buy a used ones to save some bucks! Anyone selling?
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Plamen hahaha thanks, I hope they would give a different name. I have the new Hypertouch bladenow. i need to review it thsi week and will post pics tomorrow
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Great reviews, thank you for sharing your impressions!
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updated with review for the Tenzone Ultra Rubber on first page
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If anybody is done I would gladly pay to test one. feel free to PM me
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thethinker's review of the Adidas top secret rubber:
.First, find agreement with a lot of AndySmith. .Almost sandpaper like dry sponge very suitable for tuning (if you do). One layer of Elmer's rubber cement and the rubber curled up. Totally Euro rubber with no stick to the topsheet. I use it for backhand only. H3p forehand. .Well control with not too much glue effect (more like tuned). It is a well balanced rubber (between speed and spin); each element is enough to play an allround offensive game while maintain total control. It is best for player with a controlled aggression type of game. The best part is that the topsheet doesn't react to spin much and service returns and blocks are well above average. Still it's fast enough to required a experienced player. .It is probably little less speed and spin than T64 that I was using for my backhand; so little that I don't have any problem adjusting. The throw is close to T64 than T05 or T25 (not tried T80 yet). It suits the same style players. .Like it on stiff blades like the Photino that some of the testing was done. .Edge of the topsheet cracked after paddle hitting the table slightly. Don't know if it can be easily damaged like some rubbers, with the edge totally beat up in a month or two. Would like to use a few sheets to give that opinion. I also cut the sheet a little big to see if it will shrink. Will monitor durability and shrinkage, if any. Update only if they happen. .All and all a decent rubber for my backhand if the price is acceptable. The maker should come out with a more ideal softer version (i.e.FX) for the backhand or an Asian version for the forehand. |
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I am sorry, I don't have a Facebook account. I would still like to test it.
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puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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You'll have the opportunity to test if you like our Facebook website.
www.facebook.com/adidasttnz Good luck! Regards, adidasttnz team |
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can i test one?
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puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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Got the rubber & was able to play with it yesterday. Glued with my main blade OSP 5ply customed First Impressions: Topsheet reminded me a lot like Shark2, especially the pimple structures: semi tall & packed closely together. Vanilla sponge is porous like the Andro’s Hexer HD or Tenergy, which have a lot of small pores. Hardness is somewhere between 45-47.5 Tensor Scales. After gluing, I always do the spin test, and it resembles a lot like T05FX (even tho the physical structure is different). Soft topsheet lets the ball sink into sponge. This is the kind of rubber I’m looking for on my backhand. M1 & Hexer HD both have harder topsheet which require active strokes, which is why I believe they are both better as FH rubbers. Rubber is quite heavy at 71gr uncut. First session: I planned to just practice with the Adidas Top Secret rubber just to get a feel & learn its characteristics, but little did I know the first day I’m at the Rec, it is crowded…but with very good players ~2000. Very good feel rubber with blocking and counters, the ball really penetrates into the sponge on blocking/countering fast or spinny shots… I did encounter some problems in returning dead ball/heavy underspin serves with my BH, usually I use mini brush loop. Topsheet is not overly grippy as others I’ve used, and soft topsheet gives a split of second dwell time that I don’t need for close-table play against no-spin, and underspin. Will have to adjust to the inside table techniques. But I can say that out of table play is just wonderful. Will have clips of video up after edits. Overall, I would say this rubber is OFF-, for an all-arounder on BH play. Also would like to add that rubber is not overly bouncy Sorry guys, video is not avail for mobile phones ;( updated 3/22:
Second session: not very good players at the club I played last nite. I was able to test the Adidas TS rubber on my FH. This thing plays very similar to T05FX as I have played with that rubber as FH for a short stint when I hurt my abdominal area. Sponge is definitely harder than 05FX, better kick off the table on my loops, very good spin off serves. Fast serves get jumpy. Excellent control overall on rallies & blocks. Brush loop on FH is almost non-existent, same problem as I have on my BH. Must hit through the topsheet… This rubber plays like an OFF on FH, at least for my style. Edited by PingPongHolic10 - 03/24/2013 at 10:53pm |
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Hey Yogi! Don't keep us in suspense, dish the dirt! Spill your beans! |
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Have not received mine yet....
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Selling Everything! No set-up at this time.
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I'm done with mine, If anyone wants to pay for shipping, i can send it their way for the person to do a review (CONUS ONLY)
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That would be quite the social experiment! I'm not so sure - this looks very much like the current ESN generation to me. The topsheet and sponge look very much like Bluefire, but the tuning is different, and the topsheet lacks BF's higher grip. I think it's a variation on that theme - Adidas will have specified a certain configuration with ESN, and this is what popped out. It does seem more all-round and less specialised than Bluefire / Rasant, but maybe that's what they wanted? Bear in mind that the reviewers on the Evolution thread have said similar things about this allround feel, so this test rubber might be quite close to the Evolution construction. Also, I wonder if the final product will be available in a range of sponge hardnesses, and where this test rubber fits in? |
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I think that is the best description of it, It's like a modern day mark 5 that is a little bit harder. The tough part is that I doubt the price tag of this rubber will be justified given the quality of rubbers currently on the market. I'm interested to see how exactly they market this rubber. Honestly, when I started using this thing, I wondered if this was actually a market test, and not really a test of the new rubber. They could have easily given me an unmarked sheet of one of their current lower end rubbers, and asked me to review it to see if the reviews they received were all positive (because people got a free sheet of rubber)
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Sorry mate, not used any of the Hammond series, and I'd rather not guess! Edited by AndySmith - 03/19/2013 at 7:18am |
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Thanks for the good review Andismith.
 I am looking for a faster analogue Nittaku Hammond Pro Beta. Are there any common features with the Аdidas Top Secret ?
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I've thought a bit more overnight, and it reminds me of a lightly glued classic rubber - more so than any other rubber from this gen I've tried so far (again, not tried Evolution yet). It's like a classic japanese rubber with a great injection of pace and spin. Like a Sriver or MarkV, pumped up a bit, but retaining the easy-going nature. It may not have any immediately obvious class-leading qualities, but the solid performance in every area is a massive plus in its own way.
Ah, that could be interesting... |
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Yea I think that ease of use is the best characteristic of this rubber. I didn't find it to be exceptionally good at anything really. It is quite controllable in the short game, spinny enough on serves, not amazing but not bad with loops and drives. Pushes are spinny but reasonable. Throw seemed quite low. Lots of feeling on most shots. A very easy to use rubber in my opinion.
I am going to add a few layers of my homemade tuner to see if it becomes more lively. Edited by DeIgado - 03/18/2013 at 8:01pm |
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Back from training. Overall, it's very impressive. Has a lot of nice qualities... Spin Spin generation is slightly above average. The topsheet isn't overly reactive, so service return is very reliable. It's not the spinniest rubber of this generation, but it's still better than most. It's also easy to get the spin working on medium strength shots - it's very accessible, even if it's not loaded. I remember this kind of feeling with Omega Asia IV - hard sponge/soft topsheet. The test rubber's sponge is softer than OAIV, which is a good thing for me. I thought OAIV was very specialised. Speed It's good! Was less bouncy in the short game than I'd thought, but responds well when you start to increase the speed of your shot. There's enough in there for faster blocks, but I had to be a bit more active for short blocks (I'm used to bouncier rubbers). It's very linear. Although I haven't used Evolution, this sounds very like how people have been describing it. Throw For me, this is the best bit. It has a very natural throw - not very high like Bluefire, or oddly low like Rasant, but steady medium (maybe medium-low). One thing I noticed was the throw remained steady throughout a big range of shots and speeds. So drives were medium-low, but looping big kept quite a tight arc too. This made it great for the BH side - very easy to punch block, drive, and loop, all with a good medium-low arc to them. The whole range of shots were effective, and it did a great job of keeping pressure on the opponent. I'm not 100% on how it plays from distance yet - I ran out of time. On the odd occasion it happened tonight, it was still good. It doesn't produce the huge arc cartoon loops of some rubbers, but the linearity means it's easy to add the pace you need to the shot, so it's still quite easy to land a low-arc shot from distance. Overall This rubber is probably the best overall package of characteristics that I've seen recently. The sponge and topsheet work really well together to keep everything feeling very natural and predictable, while remaining fast and spinny enough to be effective. I started with it on the BH side, and it worked very well. I tend to go with softer sponges on that wing, so I was sending some bigger shots long. But everything else was excellent, and my short game was easier than most of my other BH options. Also easy to flick and roll over the table. I wasn't expecting to like it on the FH side, but it worked well there too. The "neutral" feel gave it a great compromise feel between driving and looping, rather than specialising in one particular area. A real do-it-all kind of rubber, but not in a mediocre way where every characteristic becomes below-average. This did present a slight problem in that the loop arc was quite easily readable at the other side of the table. I could keep increasing the spin, but the ball kept coming back (mostly via blocking). I passed it around some of our best club players (including one Nationally ranked player). The first thing they commented on was how easy it was to play a steady offensive spin game with it. Far easier to get a good quality topspin shot going - they could apply pressure on the rally without really straining themselves. They have cleaner technique than me, but even so we were all impressed by how quickly they all adapted to using it. Sometimes you move to a new rubber and you send the big loops long, and/or the short touches go into the net. Not this time. Downsides - it's a bit heavy, spin isn't as good as some of its peers, and looping seemed easy to read for the opponents. So there you go - a bit rambling, so I'll try to get some more coherent thoughts together after a few more sessions. It's the first of this generation's ESN rubbers that would suit BH and FH for me (I usually go with quite different characteristics on either side) - I'd quite like to try 1.8mm BH and 2.0mm FH to keep the weight down a bit. Have to wait until Yogi reveals the rubber name on Wednesday, and then see how Adidas are going to price it :-) Many thanks to Yogi and Adidas for the testing program. It's a great way to generate buzz over a new product, and I wish more companies were as proactive with the TT online community!
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OK, rubber arrived this morning. I've taken some quick photos, but lighting isn't the best yet (too early). Need to get a macro lens for this kind of work too. Still, you can zoom in and see some detail if you like:
https://plus.google.com/photos/108579723250927437374/albums/5856610803910635969 Topsheet doesn't feel massively grippy, but is supple. Pips look quite closely packed. Sponge feels medium-hard, and quite resistive when compressed. Porous, like recent Bluefires and Evolutions. Has a good "wobble" effect when you jiggle it around. Doesn't smell of the Bluefire tuner at all - has a smell which reminds me of when I have my car tyres changed. Smells like Kwik Fit, for those in the UK. In the photo with the rubbers stacked, you have the adidas at the bottom, Bluefire M3 Max in the middle, and T80 1.9 at the top. The adidas pip structure is very close to Bluefire. To the naked eye, I would say identical. T80's pips are spaced wider apart. Just picking up other random rubbers - Sigma Euro looks to have similar pip spacing, but the adidas has wider pips. And for what it's worth (i.e. not much), Shark 2's pips are smaller and wider spaced than the adidas. Good fortune - training night is tonight. Will get it cut and report back in the morning. Oh, and uncut weight is 70g, cut to Hayabusa (158x152) is 49g. Edited by AndySmith - 03/18/2013 at 6:13am |
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if it is possible any you can sell one of the rubbers. i would not mind purchasing a test rubber. please pm me if you are able to do this. after you are done with your reviews
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Had a quick hit with the rubber today. Comparing to the Acuda S2 that i've been using, Sponge is noticeably denser, but the rubber plays softer than that. I think it has to do with the fact that the topsheet is somewhat softer than the Acuda. The softer topsheet allows the rubber to grab the ball easier, and the hard sponge catapults the ball quicker (also lower throw). Whereas sometimes I feel the Acuda S2 just hold the ball far too long, and a spinney shot comes out rather than a fast shot.
I used it on the backhand and it really excelled at blocking and couter-looping. I would love to use it as a daily, but judging from Adidas's price history, it might be too rich for my blood |
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Just got the test rubber on Friday. I will hit with it on Tuesday with my coach and report my finding soon after.
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i weighed the rubber in a kitchen scale. its about 72 grams uncut and 45-47grams cut to an adidas blade
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