Butterfly ZJK super ZLC

The first time I tried the Zjk Szlc I could immediately feel that the feeling was special, great sweet spot and great feedback. The quality of the feeling was like a Viscaria old tag and much better than most recent alc blades. Playing with it is really enjoyable and it's amazing how precise it is but on the other hand because it's still quite fast, stiff and not as soft as alc it is not really forgiving and if you don't hit the Ball perfectly you make a lot of mistakes. But it has much better feeling than ZLC blades. Personally I almost wanted to adopt this one but than prefered the Mizutani Szlc when it came out. But after this I ended up with the Xiom Vega Pro which has the feeling and sweet spot of those Szlc blades, less power but more flex and clearly more control because it's more forgiving.

If anyone wants to buy some Zjk of Mizutani Szlc I am selling mine because I will not go back to them anymore.

Snakefish wrote: bschap wrote: <<Take a look at the US Cadets and their ZLC usage: Jack Wang: TB-ZLC Kanak Jha: IF-ZLC Crystal Wang: Mizutani Jun ZLC Victor Liu: ZJK Super ZLC>> Very interesting Slevin.  I guess if you want to have your finger on the pulse of TT "evolution" you should monitor the young players.   Are they sponsored by Butterfly ?

<<Take a look at the US Cadets and their ZLC usage:

Like any very fast blade, for all its qualities, it's demanding and so not everyone can play with it. It's much faster than the average player can control.

I'm actually surprised so many people are in a position to sell it, i.e. that they bought it in the first place.

slevin wrote: For me, the ZJK Super ZLC felt very stiff, low throw, great control and feeling. I think the tabletennisdaily guys tested it and found it to have better control than the Viscaria. But one has to be able to deal with the stiffness. Even the MJ Super ZLC is quite stiff (stiffer than regular MJ). Baal wrote: Also, as yet, my prediction has not yet come to pass.  ZJK still uses a Viscaria. That is not an indication of how good the blade is. My assumption is that most players at that level use what they have been comfortable with for years and are loathe to change. Take a look at the US Cadets and their ZLC usage: Jack Wang: TB-ZLC Kanak Jha: IF-ZLC Crystal Wang: Mizutani Jun ZLC Victor Liu: ZJK Super ZLC That is just because such blades are in vogue during their playing years and their game modifies to best use the properties of such blades.

Look, at the end of the day, these things are all a question of taste and familiarity.  And of course, my obvious bias is that I have used ALC blades for almost ten years.

I do find it ironic that there are at least four or five blades named after ZJK and that he does not use any of them (he is not alone in that), but that doesn't mean that the ZJK blades or other super ZLC blades are bad.  I didn't say that.  Just that my prediction at the time the blade came out that ended up wrong.  In fact, all of the ones I have tried are quite decent.  I guarantee, though, at the higher levels of the sport, beyond some US cadets, you will find more players using ALC blades than any zylon variant. 

I have a lot of respect for the reviews of the guys at Table Tennis Daily, but their contention that a ZJK Super ZLC has more control than a Viscaria is simply not consistent with my experience, if in fact they said that.  And chances are great that at this point, I have spent more time with both of those blades and have sampled a larger number of each of them than those guys did before they made that review.  There is also the question of "control of WHAT?".   There are so many different shots in table tennis, and people want to try to break complex properties down to a single term?  Control of topspin drives?  Short game?  Serves? Slow spin?   Conversations about control in blades are notorious for people talking past each other because they don't mean the same thing by the word.

One thing I do notice, is that since I wrote that review more than two years ago, there seem to be a lot of used ZJK-super ZLC blades for sale here.  People bought them at premium top dollar price and then decided maybe it was not quite as super as they hoped.  In fact, there almost never a time at the For Sale section here that you can't find one being offered.  I have to say, that has always surprised me because when people shell out that kind of money for a blade, normally, the psychology is that they would want to give it an especially long chance before abandoning it.

The thing that still amazes me is the price of this thing.  Incredible.

Stiff is not the same as crisp. I don't think it is overly stiff ,but the outer ply seems hard. I know several people who like it, just not me as much as some other blades. Its not bad but I prefer ALC. And price is nuts.

That seems to be mainly a Btfly NA choice of what they stock.  In Europe it is easier to get non-FL blades.  Why Butterfly NA has made more choices available for the ZJK-super ZLC is a mystery to me.

I have managed to acquire two ST ZJK-ALC blades.  This is until my custom ST Viscarias arrive.

Old post.  Price is higher now.  I would also say that having hit several more of those blade since I wrote that review two years ago, I would say that the feel is usually distinctly crisper than that first one I tried the first time.  They are usually faster than a Viscaria.

Also, as yet, my prediction has not yet come to pass.  ZJK still uses a Viscaria.

i will sell mine ........ does anyone want the jump on it before i put it up for sale

E.ZegnaFan wrote: Here's the twin

+1


Edited by jatienza930 - 05/15/2013 at 10:33am

Is it worth to get one?

Ok ,short review

based on 4 people opinion

Blade size 157x150

thicknes 5.6-5.7

Speed-Fast

rubbers used: tenergys in general

before the begining of our test all the player were convinced that this is another bty trick to sell expensive blades.

Spin- with thickness of 5.6 and tenergy this blade literraly sucks the ball to him core,than a mechanical sound apear and the ball are kicked off with super spin.No matter how far from the table you are you always have the arc to land the ball with vicious spin.

Speed- this is where most of the guys inc me were kind of disapointed. Despite the fact that this blade has SLZC we didnt find any significant difference in speed,actually we find this blade even slower than ALC and ZLC model,but this can be due to the fact we playing with heavier blades and this blade weight around 85 gr average.

Control-alltougrht its offensive blade it shines in control ,the blade assure you than you can land any ball  if you prepared yourself for the stroke.


Ok now let me tell you what Adrian think about.

It is not a secret that he play with AC blade custom made

Allthought he was preparing himself for WTTC he spend some time ,because he is thinking to switch to different blade

He said literraly that this blade is a upgade from TBS/ALC but when i told him how much butterfly will charge ,he starts to laughin.

Despite that fact,he found the blade very easy to adapt to,user friendly but he were disapointed because there is no seria A.Crisan SZLC :)

he made excelent topspin with this blade,but he can make them even with a crock :D

He found blade very good close to the table and mediium distance.Blocks and smashes were astonisnishing. Mainly because of the rubbers but when he smash hard all the gym heard the noisy metal sound who fullfill the tables nearby.

jt99sf wrote: E.ZegnaFan wrote:   Hi John, both weight at 87.7 and 87.9 grams respectively for the ALC and SZLC, a bit more than my 87.5 grams Timo Boll ZLC, a bit les than my 88.2 grams Innerforce ZLC. My MJ is 84.5 grams and Amultart is 85.4 grams Nice weights since I only use pips on the BH.   Let me know when you get bored with your MJ and Amultart.

Sure John, I know you love a light-weight blades


Edited by E.ZegnaFan - 05/14/2013 at 10:03pm

tommorow i will play with Adrian Crisan,and we will talk a bit

he play with SZLC around 5 sessions so probably he has somethink to tell about the blade

CCTTA  club pro shop...A.K.A.  PPCircle    it may be one of his dealer samples from butterfly? he did mention that it was from the first lot of production of this blade. next shipment/order is few weeks away yet.