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Imago
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Let us wish Crishan luck in Paris so that BTY could produce a Super Crishan Series of blades.
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+1 Edited by jatienza930 - 05/15/2013 at 10:33am |
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Baal
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For the price of this blade, it should be sent to me with a logo saying the "Ba'al Super ZLC" with a picture of a Canaanite fertility god on the front blade face, and the same thing in early Phoenician script on the other side.
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pokerpete
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i will sell mine ........ does anyone want the jump on it before i put it up for sale
87g, flared handle, perfect condition, used 3-4 hours no sweat marks at all grip-tape was used to cover handle PM me if you have offer
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bschap
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Baal, are you sure this review is for super zlc? I ask b/c you focus so much on ALC comparisons and the price you quote "$360" seems low. I come up with something like "$530". Thanks.
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Baal
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Old post. Price is higher now. I would also say that having hit several more of those blade since I wrote that review two years ago, I would say that the feel is usually distinctly crisper than that first one I tried the first time. They are usually faster than a Viscaria.
Also, as yet, my prediction has not yet come to pass. ZJK still uses a Viscaria. |
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bschap
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Yeah, guy at Butterfly described it as "really stiff...most people don't like." Another Q I have (apropos other posts of yours I've seen) is why the super zlc has three handle designs (ST FL AN) that seem to be available everywhere, while the ZJK ALC is basically only available in FL?
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Baal
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That seems to be mainly a Btfly NA choice of what they stock. In Europe it is easier to get non-FL blades. Why Butterfly NA has made more choices available for the ZJK-super ZLC is a mystery to me.
I have managed to acquire two ST ZJK-ALC blades. This is until my custom ST Viscarias arrive. |
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Bran
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I had tried it very quickly and it's not that stiff, it flexes a bit and feels very crisp. I found the feedback better than ALC, which tend to be on the numb side, and the control is great for a blade this fast. The sweetspot is truly impressive (it's not just marketing nonsense) and it's very powerful. I thought it was an excellent, OFF to OFF+ blade. But too fast and too expensive for me. |
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Baal
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Stiff is not the same as crisp. I don't think it is overly stiff ,but the outer ply seems hard. I know several people who like it, just not me as much as some other blades. Its not bad but I prefer ALC. And price is nuts.
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slevin
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For me, the ZJK Super ZLC felt very stiff, low throw, great control and feeling. I think the tabletennisdaily guys tested it and found it to have better control than the Viscaria. But one has to be able to deal with the stiffness. Even the MJ Super ZLC is quite stiff (stiffer than regular MJ).
That is not an indication of how good the blade is. My assumption is that most players at that level use what they have been comfortable with for years and are loathe to change. Take a look at the US Cadets and their ZLC usage: Jack Wang: TB-ZLC Kanak Jha: IF-ZLC Crystal Wang: Mizutani Jun ZLC Victor Liu: ZJK Super ZLC That is just because such blades are in vogue during their playing years and their game modifies to best use the properties of such blades. |
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Baal
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Look, at the end of the day, these things are all a question of taste and familiarity. And of course, my obvious bias is that I have used ALC blades for almost ten years. I do find it ironic that there are at least four or five blades named after ZJK and that he does not use any of them (he is not alone in that), but that doesn't mean that the ZJK blades or other super ZLC blades are bad. I didn't say that. Just that my prediction at the time the blade came out that ended up wrong. In fact, all of the ones I have tried are quite decent. I guarantee, though, at the higher levels of the sport, beyond some US cadets, you will find more players using ALC blades than any zylon variant. I have a lot of respect for the reviews of the guys at Table Tennis Daily, but their contention that a ZJK Super ZLC has more control than a Viscaria is simply not consistent with my experience, if in fact they said that. And chances are great that at this point, I have spent more time with both of those blades and have sampled a larger number of each of them than those guys did before they made that review. There is also the question of "control of WHAT?". There are so many different shots in table tennis, and people want to try to break complex properties down to a single term? Control of topspin drives? Short game? Serves? Slow spin? Conversations about control in blades are notorious for people talking past each other because they don't mean the same thing by the word. One thing I do notice, is that since I wrote that review more than two years ago, there seem to be a lot of used ZJK-super ZLC blades for sale here. People bought them at premium top dollar price and then decided maybe it was not quite as super as they hoped. In fact, there almost never a time at the For Sale section here that you can't find one being offered. I have to say, that has always surprised me because when people shell out that kind of money for a blade, normally, the psychology is that they would want to give it an especially long chance before abandoning it. The thing that still amazes me is the price of this thing. Incredible. |
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Baal
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Also, if there was no such thing as an ALC blade, I would probably be quite happy with a ZLC of some sort, certainly more so than other carbon.
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Bran
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Like any very fast blade, for all its qualities, it's demanding and so not everyone can play with it. It's much faster than the average player can control.
I'm actually surprised so many people are in a position to sell it, i.e. that they bought it in the first place. |
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bschap
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<<Take a look at the US Cadets and their ZLC usage:
Jack Wang: TB-ZLC Kanak Jha: IF-ZLC Crystal Wang: Mizutani Jun ZLC Victor Liu: ZJK Super ZLC>> Very interesting Slevin. I guess if you want to have your finger on the pulse of TT "evolution" you should monitor the young players.
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Snakefish
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Are they sponsored by Butterfly ? Edited by Snakefish - 11/25/2015 at 2:01am |
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IanMcg
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Indeed they are.
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bschap
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I have another question re this blade. It seems many many people have tried it, thought it was interesting, or that it could be good, but the absurd price remains a fatal hurdle. SO, this is a call to elicit feedback from any technically proficient players out there who have used this blade and LOVE it...who think it's the holy grail of blades. Anyone out there like this? For once let's please keep criticisms of the price in check. Defenders/lovers of ZJK Super ZLC please speak up! Thanks. :-)
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ttping85
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The first time I tried the Zjk Szlc I could immediately feel that the feeling was special, great sweet spot and great feedback. The quality of the feeling was like a Viscaria old tag and much better than most recent alc blades. Playing with it is really enjoyable and it's amazing how precise it is but on the other hand because it's still quite fast, stiff and not as soft as alc it is not really forgiving and if you don't hit the Ball perfectly you make a lot of mistakes. But it has much better feeling than ZLC blades. Personally I almost wanted to adopt this one but than prefered the Mizutani Szlc when it came out. But after this I ended up with the Xiom Vega Pro which has the feeling and sweet spot of those Szlc blades, less power but more flex and clearly more control because it's more forgiving.
If anyone wants to buy some Zjk of Mizutani Szlc I am selling mine because I will not go back to them anymore. |
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slevin
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Don't know what any of the Canadian juniors use except this guy: Filip Ilijevski: Mizutani Jun ZLC
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bbkon
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The power of marketing |
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slevin
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Adding to the list of young users: Adriana Diaz (current US open women's champion) - ZJK Super ZLC
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Baal
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There is almost always some sort of sZLC blade for sale here. Lots of people trying to recoup some investment. Good for peop.e who want to try iy.
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tiehwen
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This ZJK SZLC is a super expensive blade. Not affordable for lotta ppl. If anyone ever comes across/knows some one trying to unload any of these "rare beauty". Grab it as soon as possible. Awhile back I saw an used one on sale for 200 USD shipped to anywhere....
ZJK is not using any of these ZJK models (incl. the Blue Dragon version). These might be discontinued in the future..who knows. |
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bbkon
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You gotta highlight the players that like the blade not the ones that play with szlc cos they get paid for it |
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slevin
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I have talked to 2 kid and 1 adult national team members in my area who are sponsored by BTY - they are free to choose any BTY blade (ALC, ZLC or all-wood). How do you know that Adriana was forced to play with the SZLC blade only for sponsorship? Either ways, this topic is now pretty low in my interest scale.
Edited by slevin - 12/20/2016 at 4:25pm |
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bard romance
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Lmao, Butterfly doesn't force a blade on any of their sponsored players, they can choose whatever you want. I've seen you say this before though so it's pretty clear you're just an extreme case of one of those anti-Butterfly people.
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NextLevel
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Nah, bbkon just writes a lot of stuff that is hard to make sense of. This is just another example. Edited by NextLevel - 12/20/2016 at 5:12pm |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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slevin
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Add the following info about Americas juniors according to the Butterfly website:
Nikhil Kumar: ZJK ZLC Crystal Wang: ZJK ZLC Yadira Silva: IF-ZLC |
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