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    Posted: 05/22/2013 at 2:53pm
I decided to gather some of the greatest comeback videos here. Please do not hesitate to add

1) First one, imho, goes to Ma Lin vs Wang Jian Jun match - final of Chinese National Championships  (likely the toughest tournament in the world) of 2006



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6PIWq_ZG4E

If you go to marker 17.10 you will see that WJJ was leading 3-1 and 10-3 (!!! he was playing really good and Ma Lin was seemingly crumbling under pressure; so WJJ has seven set/match/Championship points!). And then... well watch it and you will see what happened that day. What can I say - that certainly has changed WJJ career as well as his life, I bet.

2) Semifinal of ECL 2007. Vladimir Samsonov plays Timo Boll - now go to 4.10 and you will see that Timo leads 2-1 and 10-3 which means he has 7 matchballs. Well, go on, watch it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM6_yJUFjuQ

3) WTTC 2010 Moscow - in their team tie on May 27, 2010 girls from Slovakia play their former countrymates from Czech Republic (quite some pressure there, I imagine). Score is tied at 2-2 and in the last match Viera Marcekova (SVK) plays Katerina Penkavova (CZE) for the win..  they split the first four sets 2-2... and the Czech girl proceeds to whup her opponent in the final 5th game until the score is 10-2 (if I am not mistaken)... so she has eight(!) match/tie points. Slovakian girls on the bench do not even clap their hands to support their teammate anymore... And then something happens.

=== sorry cannot find that video right now; if you know the link please post it, and I will continue searching for it ===
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I think you have to have Maze-Hao Shuai from the '05 Worlds!




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I think we should also throw Freitas against Pak from this recent WTTC in there. Not quite Maze Vs Hao Shuai, but still a nice comeback from being down 0-3.





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Bojan Tokic - Timo Boll (2-9 to 11-9) (German Cup 2012)





Zhag Jike - Patrick Baum (5-10 to 12-10) (WTTC 2013)





Bastian Steger - Ryu Seung Min (2-10 to 13-11) (Pro tour grand finals 2010)



Wang Liqin - Xu Xin (1-8 to 13-11) (China trials for WTTC 2013)



Zhang Jike - Jun Mizutani (0-3 to 4-3 in games) (WC 2010) 



Ma Lin - Petr Korbel (3-7 to 11-9) (WTTC 2005)





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Nice! Thank you guys!

How could I forget Michael Maze vs Hao Shuai comeback?? I am really getting senile...

Still cannot find that video of women's match Slovakia vs Czech Rep. Will keep on looking but perhaps someone could help... maybe someone from Czech Rep./Slovakia can search for it on local forums?
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I think we should make the following rules for the comebacks as people are citing too many OK comebacks which are not really "amazing":

1) The loser must have had at least three match points, likely more, and the winner must have been down at least 1 game at that point if it wasn't the deciding set.

2) If it was the deciding set, the winner must have been down at least 6 match points.

3) If the comeback was from 10-0, it doesn't matter what the score was at that point or who won the whole match if the person down 0-10 came back to win that set.

I know there was a doubles match where a team came down from 0-10 to win a game during the WTTC 2013.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I think we should make the following rules for the comebacks as people are citing too many OK comebacks which are not really "amazing":

1) The loser must have had at least three match points, likely more, and the winner must have been down at least 1 game at that point if it wasn't the deciding set.

2) If it was the deciding set, the winner must have been down at least 6 match points.

3) If the comeback was from 10-0, it doesn't matter what the score was at that point or who won the whole match if the person down 0-10 came back to win that set.

I know there was a doubles match where a team came down from 0-10 to win a game during the WTTC 2013.

Not sure if there's really a need to make specific rules, but I'd agree that a comeback from 7-3 shouldn't have been listed here Ouch I'm with you on the not so amazing part. 


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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I think we should make the following rules for the comebacks as people are citing too many OK comebacks which are not really "amazing":

1) The loser must have had at least three match points, likely more, and the winner must have been down at least 1 game at that point if it wasn't the deciding set.

2) If it was the deciding set, the winner must have been down at least 6 match points.

3) If the comeback was from 10-0, it doesn't matter what the score was at that point or who won the whole match if the person down 0-10 came back to win that set.

I know there was a doubles match where a team came down from 0-10 to win a game during the WTTC 2013.


I'd say that to qualify for "amazing" the match should satisfy the following two conditions:

1) high pressure/major competition
2) at least five (5) match points are converted to win the match OR
    at least eight (8) match points are converted and set won (but match is later lost nevertheless) OR
  at least eight points difference in score (8-0, 9-1) is eliminated and the set and match are won

By these rules WLQ's comeback vs Ma Lin in 2007 WTTC MS final (from being down 1-3 in sets and 1-7 down in the fifth) is, alas, not "amazing" - although it is awesome.
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:



Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I think we should make the following rules for the comebacks as people are citing too many OK comebacks which are not really "amazing":
1) The loser must have had at least three match points, likely more, and the winner must have been down at least 1 game at that point if it wasn't the deciding set.
2) If it was the deciding set, the winner must have been down at least 6 match points.
3) If the comeback was from 10-0, it doesn't matter what the score was at that point or who won the whole match if the person down 0-10 came back to win that set.
I know there was a doubles match where a team came down from 0-10 to win a game during the WTTC 2013.
I'd say that to qualify for "amazing" the match should satisfy the following two conditions:1) high pressure/major competition2) at least five (5) match points are converted to win the match OR    at least eight (8) match points are converted and set won (but match is later lost nevertheless) OR  at least eight points difference in score (8-0, 9-1) is eliminated and the set and match are wonBy these rules WLQ's comeback vs Ma Lin in 2007 WTTC MS final (from being down 1-3 in sets and 1-7 down in the fifth) is, alas, not "amazing" - although it is awesome.


I think you can call those turnarounds instead, or less amazing comebacks.

I think there was Guo Yue who beat Li Xiaoxia, in 2007? Don't remember how much Guo Yue was down.
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Originally posted by kenneyy88 kenneyy88 wrote:

Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:



Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I think we should make the following rules for the comebacks as people are citing too many OK comebacks which are not really "amazing":
1) The loser must have had at least three match points, likely more, and the winner must have been down at least 1 game at that point if it wasn't the deciding set.
2) If it was the deciding set, the winner must have been down at least 6 match points.
3) If the comeback was from 10-0, it doesn't matter what the score was at that point or who won the whole match if the person down 0-10 came back to win that set.
I know there was a doubles match where a team came down from 0-10 to win a game during the WTTC 2013.
I'd say that to qualify for "amazing" the match should satisfy the following two conditions:1) high pressure/major competition2) at least five (5) match points are converted to win the match OR    at least eight (8) match points are converted and set won (but match is later lost nevertheless) OR  at least eight points difference in score (8-0, 9-1) is eliminated and the set and match are wonBy these rules WLQ's comeback vs Ma Lin in 2007 WTTC MS final (from being down 1-3 in sets and 1-7 down in the fifth) is, alas, not "amazing" - although it is awesome.


I think you can call those turnarounds instead, or less amazing comebacks.

I think there was Guo Yue who beat Li Xiaoxia, in 2007? Don't remember how much Guo Yue was down.
 
I know that some turnarounds/comebacks are great, but those that involve the pressure of saving  multiple matchpoints in a row are just a different animal altogether and that is where I think Jim T was going.  To have all these one-set comebacks posted was getting a bit sad - I am not saying my rules have to be followed, but I just wanted to stop that trend.
 
Now, back to the topic - doesn anyone have the match that we are all dying to see - Yan An - Zhang Jike where Zhang Jike was 10-4 in the seventh and proceeded to lose? Big smile
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Kasumi in the 2011 WTTC is probably one of the best comebacks i've ever seen.
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Originally posted by dalamchops dalamchops wrote:

Kasumi in the 2011 WTTC is probably one of the best comebacks i've ever seen.
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Does anyone have this video?
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Samsonov - Ma Long in semifinal of World Cup 2009 ( comeback from 5-10 to 14-12 in 5th set)
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ma lin korbel is worthy because of the circumstance. sure only 3-7, but LGL gets ejected and tournaments were more intense back then. The energy was a lot higher. And it's the 7th game. I think any 7th game comeback is worthy because you really have to dig. 
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On another slant, have you guys ever been totally out of a game and given up say at 2:8 down?
You then relax and start hitting the ball to get it over and done with. But the shots keep on landing and suddenly you find yourself at 6-8 or 7-9 and back in the game.

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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Now, back to the topic - doesn anyone have the match that we are all dying to see - Yan An - Zhang Jike where Zhang Jike was 10-4 in the seventh and proceeded to lose? Big smile


Where/when was this one played?
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Now, back to the topic - doesn anyone have the match that we are all dying to see - Yan An - Zhang Jike where Zhang Jike was 10-4 in the seventh and proceeded to lose? Big smile


Where/when was this one played?
 
I think the Korean open.  There was no ITTF camera on that table.


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The best one is Gatien or Legout ( I don't remember exactly) against Adrian Crisan many years ago. 20:4 for Crisan...20:15 ....(Adrian's coach laughing in front of the cameras)....20:22 .....
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Any more "amazing comebacks", guys? Still cannot find that Slovakia - Czech Rep. women's match... perhaps one of our forummers from those countries knows what I am talking about and could find it for us...? TiBiKe? anyone?
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This does not satisfy the conditions but I find it the most memorable comeback given the importance of the competition:

Schlager-Wang Liqin  Paris 2003 WTTC

The indisputable #1 in the world, reigning World Champion at peak of his form (after the 2001 edition he would win 2005 and 2007 wttc) is leading 3-2 in games and has 4 match points in this wttc 1/4 finals; he let the game slip between his fingers and fell apart in the deciding game.

The Austrian man's achievement is even more incredible when confirmed by another win in the 1/2 v. the grand slam winner KLH and the final win v. JSH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GX_k7f3xGkU&t=434

All those hundred hours of serve practice paid off that day; and the guts under pressure; and that forearm snap at 7-10 answering wlq's fast fh along the line returning a fast serve from his bh corner...it was all magical.


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Wang Xi vs. Shibaev, Champions League 2010, Fulda vs. Ekaterinburg

Shibaev led 2:0 in sets (best of 5 sets, teammatch), 10:3. Then the party started:

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Originally posted by stepheN stepheN wrote:

Wang Xi vs. Shibaev, Champions League 2010, Fulda vs. Ekaterinburg

Shibaev led 2:0 in sets (best of 5 sets, teammatch), 10:3. Then the party started:



Oh yes, I forgot that one... Thanks!
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Originally posted by stepheN stepheN wrote:

Wang Xi vs. Shibaev, Champions League 2010, Fulda vs. Ekaterinburg

Shibaev led 2:0 in sets (best of 5 sets, teammatch), 10:3. Then the party started:
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that was fun to watch.
In that video comments, there is a reference to a magnificent comeback from Ma Lin:

Quote "The greatest comeback of all time was Ma Lin vs Wang Jianjun in 2003. Ma Lin was 0-3 down 3-10 down in the 4th set. But he managed to pull a magnificent comeback and win the match by 4-3!"

the comment might be wrong in score and date but I was happy that it leaded me to watch this. Per the video title it happens in 2006 and  it's the China National Table Tennis Championship Men's Single Final.
Ma Lin is down 3-10 and 1-3 in games; he's got to save 7 match points in the 5th game to stay alive in the match; in stepheN's words, may the party begin. Big smile
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I AM SO DUMB; it's referenced in the OP...Confused (that I watched a long time ago). sorry.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:



Schlager-Wang Liqin  Paris 2003 WTTC



This is my all-time favorite for all the reasons fatt mentions.  WLQ was at that time or less unbeatable, and Werner Schlager at that time just another guy (with a really good serve).

But its a great collection. 

I wish I could do it.  My habit is to catch people from far behind and then still manage to lose the deuce game.  Cry
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

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My habit is to catch people from far behind and then still manage to lose the deuce game.  Cry
I am trying to get better at this: what I find important is NOT being happy for coming back at 10-10 (If I am facing 4 game points I focus on winning 6 in a row). If I still have my time out I take it then and tell myself: "2 points match bud; you can do it".

I notice Schlager in the match above celebrates big time when he cancels the 4th match point out to level at 10-10; I think it is a mistake to do so at my level; obviously not at his.

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A guy who won against me regularly told me that he worried most when I was behind nearing the end of a game.  If I was leading at the end of a game he felt comfortable.
His point was that I would fight hard when behind and relax when ahead. 

Learn your own psychology.


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Originally posted by snerdly snerdly wrote:

A guy who won against me regularly told me that he worried most when I was behind nearing the end of a game.  If I was leading at the end of a game he felt comfortable.
His point was that I would fight hard when behind and relax when ahead. 

Learn your own psychology.


Psychology is very important there. I have a clubmate who plays with vicious LPs on his BH (he plays Japanese penhold... no kidding!) but he is not using them often. However, when he falls far behind... like 1-5 or 3-8 etc, he will start use them more and more, sometimes all the time, twiddling the racket etc. Noticing that, I started doing the following - when I lead him 2-3 points I start playing a bit less carefully, going for crazy shots etc, allowing him to always be within 1-2 points from me. This way he plays with inverted practically all the time which makes it much easier for me to pull out a win. I wonder if he ever realized that...
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