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    Posted: 10/21/2013 at 10:21am
Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

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Three more videos from Alex Lomaev (he was - understandably - videotaping mostly Russian players)


Awesome videos.  Is this the same guy that did those terrific Russia Champions League videos?


No, that was user LehaFes (see his YouTube channel). Alex Lomaev is a PR/media officer of FNTR (Russian Table Tennis Federation)... hope I got his title right. He is also an avid photo/video journalist and goes (when he can) to all major European tournaments where Russian players are involved.

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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Three more videos from Alex Lomaev (he was - understandably - videotaping mostly Russian players)


Awesome videos.  Is this the same guy that did those terrific Russia Champions League videos?
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Three more videos from Alex Lomaev (he was - understandably - videotaping mostly Russian players)

Round of 16 matches

Kirill Skachkov - Panagiotis Gionis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI5-24b6_xE

Alexander Shibaev - Bastian Steger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbgZ4wvAPaM

Alexey Liventsov - Stefan Fegerl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4tRIQYSdv0
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(MD-F) Robert GARDOS/Daniel HABESOHN - Ruiwu TAN/Zeng Yi WANG [Full|HQ] 

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# (Ws-Final) LI Fen - Xiaona SHAN [Full Match/HQ] 

 

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They are absolutely relative to the variable balance between perception and reality, indeed; just like the fh looping technique involved in the scholar emoticon's page turning skills above, with follow through and all!

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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Samsonov looked flat the whole tournament, in both team and individual events.  He would play really well for a game or two and then just struggle.  I realize he's past his peak, but I also think he just wasn't sharp, whether it was physical or focus I couldn't say.


Clearly age - at 37, it's hard to play two matches in peak condition in one day.  That's why he was so on and off.  He tended to play the first match relatively well, but against the very best players in the tournament, two in one day or even three was tough.  It's been going on for at least 2 years now.


He should take lessons from Persson, who is quite a bit older and yet stays in great physical shape.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Samsonov looked flat the whole tournament, in both team and individual events.  He would play really well for a game or two and then just struggle.  I realize he's past his peak, but I also think he just wasn't sharp, whether it was physical or focus I couldn't say.

Clearly age - at 37, it's hard to play two matches in peak condition in one day.  That's why he was so on and off.  He tended to play the first match relatively well, but against the very best players in the tournament, two in one day or even three was tough.  It's been going on for at least 2 years now.

He should take lessons from Persson, who is quite a bit older and yet stays in great physical shape.
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Mental strength is the joker issue here.
At that level everyplayer is mental strong enough.
DO is progressing well but he still is not so good in his dynamics as the top cnt players.
On the other side he is a tricky player with predetermined service game.
His bh is very good compensating some lack of footwork power.
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Samsonov looked flat the whole tournament, in both team and individual events.  He would play really well for a game or two and then just struggle.  I realize he's past his peak, but I also think he just wasn't sharp, whether it was physical or focus I couldn't say.

Clearly age - at 37, it's hard to play two matches in peak condition in one day.  That's why he was so on and off.  He tended to play the first match relatively well, but against the very best players in the tournament, two in one day or even three was tough.  It's been going on for at least 2 years now.


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Samsonov looked flat the whole tournament, in both team and individual events.  He would play really well for a game or two and then just struggle.  I realize he's past his peak, but I also think he just wasn't sharp, whether it was physical or focus I couldn't say.
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

If anyone can give Chinese players problems, Ovtcharov will be the one.

I wish.

His main problem is his short game - it is too loose to continuously prevail against the CNT players. His BH push on the FH side is abysmal at his level of play - don't know why his coaches don't try amend it (probably because he commits to the BH sidespin flick too early).

In a discussion on another TT forum, Schlager opined that DO's receiving with his BH on the FH side was due to his liability in receiving serves using his FH - don't know how much truth there was in his opinion.

If he can fix his short game & his mental strength issues, he can truly amass some wins against  the Chinese.



His BH over-the-table loop is deadly though, he can always replace the FH push with this if he is fast enough (which he is!), similar to ZJK style of play. 

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Ovtcharov (Dima) is on a roll of late.  In different events, Dima beat Eugene Wang and Samsonov easily.

Well, the coming up "Men's World Cup", Dima is in that one.
So, are Jike Zhang, Xu Xin and Timo Boll.

Can he beat Jike Zhang, Xu Xin or Timo Boll?
Dima had a poor record against those players, but Dima has improved a lot lately.

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slevin, thank you for sharing. good video.
On the other hand, I was watching Eugene Wang winning Kreanga about 3 month ago pretty confidently 4:1. It was BTFLY open in Canada.
I think Kreanga is about 50 in the world and i guess Eugene is about the same.
All that just to say that world rating reflects real level pretty well - rank 6 wins rank below 50 quite easily 


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This game did a fine job illustrating the difference in level between DO(Europe's best) and North America's best:




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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

If anyone can give Chinese players problems, Ovtcharov will be the one.

I wish.

His main problem is his short game - it is too loose to continuously prevail against the CNT players. His BH push on the FH side is abysmal at his level of play - don't know why his coaches don't try amend it (probably because he commits to the BH sidespin flick too early).

In a discussion on another TT forum, Schlager opined that DO's receiving with his BH on the FH side was due to his liability in receiving serves using his FH - don't know how much truth there was in his opinion.

If he can fix his short game & his mental strength issues, he can truly amass some wins against  the Chinese.




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# FINAL

(ms-f) OVTCHAROV Dimitrij - SAMSONOV Vladimir [Full match/english commentary]

 



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MS-SEMIS:

(ms-sf) SAMSONOV Vladimir - GIONIS Panagiotis [Full match/no commentary] 


(ms-sf) OVTCHAROV Dimitrij - STEGER Bastian [Full Match/no commentary]





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Ovtcharov is far more active than Boll lately.  Besides, Boll may have passed his prime.
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Now Ovtcharov has no problem to beat Samsonov.  In a different event, months earlier, Ovtcharov beat Eugene Wang quite easily.
 
If anyone can give Chinese players problems, Ovtcharov will be the one.


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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Unbelievable performance from Ovtcharov, he has proven himself to be the new European no.1 indeed! Such a powerful game, now his FH is as deadly as his BH. Still needs to work on those pesky short returns though, still a bit sloppy in that area. 


Boll is still European #1.

That said, I fully agree with you on how much more physical Ovtcharov's game has become.  I thought at some point that Samsonov would complain that his racket was broken and needed to be changed.


Edited by NextLevel - 10/13/2013 at 1:15pm
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Unbelievable performance from Ovtcharov, he has proven himself to be the new European no.1 indeed! Such a powerful game, now his FH is as deadly as his BH. Still needs to work on those pesky short returns though, still a bit sloppy in that area. 
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(ms-qf) SAMSONOV Vladimir - FEGERL Stefan [Full Match] 

 

(ms-qf) Tiago APOLONIA - Panagiotis GIONIS [Full Match] 

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EPIC MATCH!!
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(ms-R64) KREANGA Kalinikos - HABESOHN Daniel [Full Match] 

(ms-R32) KREANGA Kalinikos - MATTENET Adrien [Full match] 


(ms-R64) GIONIS Panagiotis - GARDOS Robert [Full match] 



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