Joola Rosskopf Emotion - Review

NextLevel wrote: Do note that the blade is only about $50 at Timtts.be and he can usually get you the weight you want.

yes. I know. I don't want to buy new blade before I sell old

Does JRE have better control versus a Viscaria?

fatt wrote: viva wrote: Does JRE have better control versus a Viscaria? I feel like my 2 Viscaria, despite being 88 and 89 grams are much more controllable than than any TB ALC and MJ blades; in addition the Viscaria is far better at looping  while remaining an excellent hitter when for example going through a hign enough underspin ball. I also enjoyed the control and speed of the 84g Emotion that I never thought much slower than the Viscaria I use now. You ask people to make a very difficult call; I suggest you go back at the beginning of the thread and read again the OP's wonderful review: "Conclusions: This blade certainly makes it to my top 3 of all times. If you think that a TBS/ Viscaria is slightly too hard and fast, give this one a try. If you like the Photino but think that it is too thick and stiff, give the Emotion a try. I think that if this blade was made by Butterfly, it would be very very popular for a good reason!"

AndySmith wrote: viva wrote: im contemplating of getting a viscaria but often wonder about control of the same.  You think JRE has the same speed and control as Korbel if you've ever played with it? You're comparing quite different blades here. JRE is stiffer, softer than Korbel. I think the JRE is (overall) a bit faster than the Korbel, but the JRE's softness gives it an incredible short game. Control is very, very subjective. I prefer stiffer blades, more linear, and soft feel. So for me personally, I have more control with the JRE. I found that the JRE is a bit more sensitive to rubber selection though - the Korbel is a do-anything, standard 5-ply all-wood and works with pretty much any rubber you slap on it. The JRE has been the best blade I've ever played with, and I'm getting my best results with it. Every new born baby should be given a JRE by the government. It should be the law. But don't let my unbiased opinion sway you. ;-)

Edited by viva - 08/22/2014 at 9:42am

viva wrote: Haha Andy thanks. I was thinking of putting 05fx and andro grip S on jre vs korbel to see if it will be a good combo on JRE. As a JRE guru what you think When you say sensitive to rubber selection what do you mean what kind of rubbers go well with it?

This is my experience, so it could all be down to my technique (or lack of it)...

The JRE has a soft feel. If you combine it with soft rubbers, with a lot of dwell, you end up with too much dwell / mushiness / whatever. On my FH side, it wasn't an issue because I'm always swinging hard there. So 05FX worked well there (but was very high throw). But my BH is less explosive, and soft rubbers gave me problems. At low speeds, the result is a very indistinct feel and slow rebound. Then as I increase the power, things get fast, quickly. So on the BH side it felt like it was all or nothing, to me anyway.

I think 05fx is quite non-linear, so the JRE amplified that in some way. To be on the safe side, I'd go with more linear, or medium hardness rubbers (or both). I'm trying Rhyzm 425 at the moment, and it's a very solid BH rubber. Not dazzling, but dependable and does everything. I also thought 64FX was a better Tenergy BH rubber on the JRE than 05FX because it's far more linear.

This is all very dependant on how I play, and what my demands are on FH and BH sides. YMMV, and all that. This thread has some useful info about the setups people have used.

I can understand that. Rhyzm seems to resist incoming speed and spin to some degree, so I can appreciate what you're saying about the topsheet. For me, this is a good thing - it makes lots of aspects of the game seem a lot easier to me. Still packs a punch when you want it to though.

I've been comparing it to Maxx 400 on my backup JRE over the course of the week. The Maxx is far more lively. Fair enough - it produces more easy spin when looping. But it's more elastic, non-linear. For every high-quality BH loop I put on the table, I also produce 5 less effective blocks and punches. Rhyzm 425 is rock solid in the less glamorous aspects of the game, and fits the JRE really well IMO.

I'm really curious about Rhyzm-P now. Really curious.

slevin wrote: Andy, what blade did you try the JP02 on? How is Rhyzm 425 vs the JP02?

I had JP02 on the JRE, Peter Pan and Hypertouch. On all 3 it was surprisingly fast. It seems quite similar to Omega V Euro, but maybe with more focus on spin rather than outright speed.

I have a theory about modern tensors and soft blades. A lot of tensors now have a less pronounced bounce - a low speed braking effect. Soft blades add this feel also. Add them together and you have a lot of low speed bounce suppression. Then you increase the shot speed and you have the sponge working, topsheet stretching elastically, harder inner plies of the blade making themselves known, and so on. Depending on your technique, you might end up with some combination of all these factors which work against your consistency.

For example, with me it's JP03 and the JRE. JP03 feels quite dead at low speeds, but has a really elastic topsheet and soft sponge. Short game good, hard looping good, drives a bit vague, middle gears unpredictable on the JRE for me on the BH side.

425 however doesn't behave so elastically. It has snap, but needs more power going in to get things working. By which point you're out of the soft zone of the blade.

Or something like that, anyway. 425 seems to combine incredibly well with the JRE on the BH wing for me, and that's the important point on a personal level (however I justify it in my own rat's nest of a brain). Soft blades with overly soft/elastic/damped rubbers appear to be dodgy ground for me.

Which is rambling, really. Apologies!

JP02 seemed faster than 425 to me, more spinny in the low gears, bouncier, more lively. Overall throw is about the same (medium, medium-low for the JP02 maybe). 425 is easier to use though - more linear, less reactive to incoming stuff, blocks like a wall. I haven't given JP02 loads of time - it might need some breaking in still.

NextLevel wrote: Andy, I personally think that you use these rubbers for too short a period to truly get the best out of them for your style.  However, the insights are relatively valuable for comparisons (though unfortunately, I am not acquainted enough with your style to tell whether it is similar enough to mine). I've spent 3 months now using the Rossi Emotion with Tenergy 05.  Over time, I've learned to adjust to some of the things I found annoying in the beginning and usually, the key was finding the right racket angle and a more consistent technique. The one thing I can't replace about the Rossi Emotion is how much I love playing with it.  Everytime I want to try another blade, I just look at my results during the times when I used it and stop wasting my time.

Correct on all fronts. Most of the time I try rubbers from sheer curiosity, with no real intention of keeping them for any real length of time. Try them, understand them, sell on. Sometimes I will have a general aim in the back of my mind too. I've always been fussy about my BH rubber, and I've been looking for a best fit with the JRE. I'm not going to change my technique at this late stage of my life. 64FX was my favourite, but I don't like the price. Happy to say that Rhyzm 425 looks like the winner now. I can buy 3 425s for the price of a single 64FX at the moment.

A few people have mentioned rubber selection being a bit of an issue with hinoki outers, and I feel like I've encountered this problem myself. It is, of course, related to my BH technique and rubber selection. But I have to mention it in the interest of being frank and open about my experiences with the JRE.

If the blade wasn't so good, I wouldn't have put the effort into finding a good BH match. I've played my best stuff with the JRE, even with a reduction in BH security. Now that I'm on top of that, I couldn't be happier.

t64t64t64 wrote: Hi andy, I experienced the same problem with the BH rubber I ended with a Baracuda,i am using it since a year time,and for me this is the best rubber. I have 3 bats,and all of them are equiped with baracuda as a BH. For me this is a classic tensor rubber. I only loop and block with my BH.

Baracuda does come up a lot when I ask for BH rubber option advice. My requirements are what defeat me, ultimately. Medium-soft, medium-low throw. Hard to get something like that which combines well (for me) with hinoki outers. It has to be "just so". Baracuda is too high throw for me. I do mostly driving and smacking on the BH side, with 20% looping. FH is all loop.

AndySmith wrote: t64t64t64 wrote: Hi andy, I experienced the same problem with the BH rubber I ended with a Baracuda,i am using it since a year time,and for me this is the best rubber. I have 3 bats,and all of them are equiped with baracuda as a BH. For me this is a classic tensor rubber. I only loop and block with my BH. Baracuda does come up a lot when I ask for BH rubber option advice. My requirements are what defeat me, ultimately. Medium-soft, medium-low throw. Hard to get something like that which combines well (for me) with hinoki outers. It has to be "just so". Baracuda is too high throw for me. I do mostly driving and smacking on the BH side, with 20% looping. FH is all loop.

AndySmith wrote: NextLevel wrote: The funny thing is that, IMO, Baracuda is medium low throw when driving and smacking.  It's one of those things that get's lost in conversations about the rubber because of its'ridiculous throw when brush looping. Cool, cool. I don't want the high brush throw at all though. I'm so stuck in my BH groove that I just want a generally medium low soft rubber. I'm sure baracuda fits the JRE really well. Just not when I'm waving my arms around with it.

I do a lot of over the table looping so it makes a positive difference to me.  Now we see why there are so many different rubbers out there...

slevin wrote: I tried JRE again with 2 new T05 during a league night yesterday (reason: I'm bladeless while I boost my H3 to put on my XVP blade). Prior to that, I tried using those rubbers on Viscaria. IMHO, JRE offers better control & spin at the table (& serves returns and blocks better as well) making it an ideal close to the table rubber. The Viscaria offers better control, spin, power and dwell a step or two back. The carbon in the JRE kicks in on mid-distance strokes, reducing the dwell & it requires slightly better timing technique than the ALC blades need.

I agree, but it's nothing you can't get used to unless you loop drive really hard away from the table. The whole point of carbon is to make it easier to play fast away from the table with less effort but some of us got too greedy and want to use effort to kill the ball away from the table.   Maybe an Arylate Carbon JRE would be the blade to rule them all.

I wonder how does the speed of JRE compare to 7-ply woods like Ludeack or Clipper Wood?
If it is meaningful we can differentiate close to table and mid distance shots.

balint_tt wrote: I wonder how does the speed of JRE compare to 7-ply woods like Ludeack or Clipper Wood? If it is meaningful we can differentiate close to table and mid distance shots.

NextLevel wrote: Slevin, Could it be that your stroke wasn't advanced enough?