tried to make serve faster but less spin now

so recently i tried to make my serve faster but now it resulted in less spin and people can return it alot more my best serve pure back spin gets return more often then i would like, my pendulum gets return the most, though the backspin version gets return less but still its now possible for weak players to return my serve that they were not able to before. some people i play say that there are less spin in my serve now some say they are predictable.

how can i make my serve both fast and really spiny i know this is possible because one of my friends serve are fast but they have so much spin the ball disappear.  he does this alot with the pendulum serve the ball goes into my backhand and then kicks and disappear. and there is soo much spin that it makes me miss judge the distance. i would like to acquired something like that. PLEASE HELP!

im currenntly using bomb 729 FH donic Accuda s1 turbo, BH vega Euro, if that helps


Edited by boaspirit - 10/18/2013 at 1:53am

Does this help from Pingskills?

boaspirit wrote: so recently i tried to make my serve faster but now it resulted in less spin and people can return it alot more my best serve pure back spin gets return more often then i would like, my pendulum gets return the most, though the backspin version gets return less but still its now possible for weak players to return my serve that they were not able to before. some people i play say that there are less spin in my serve now some say they are predictable. how can i make my serve both fast and really spiny i know this is possible because one of my friends serve are fast but they have so much spin the ball disappear.  he does this alot with the pendulum serve the ball goes into my backhand and then kicks and disappear. and there is soo much spin that it makes me miss judge the distance. i would like to acquired something like that. PLEASE HELP!

Hi boaspirit
Its worth remembering that, putting topspin on a fast long serve can actually make it easier for your opponent to attack. In fact its a nice ball. Mostly in tournament play the fast long serve is a 'knuckle serve' hit with the racket slightly open so that the ball skids with slight backspin. you dont chop at the ball, you just give it a flat slap slightly below centre. If you are good at changing direction this can make it quite difficult for the looper to open strongly.
This kind of serve is quite simple, as that excellent Ping-skills vid shows. Alois is doing it with slight topspin - if he hit slightly below centre it would be the knuckle version. You should practice doing it both down the line and diagonally, remembering that down the line is more difficult because there is only 9 feet of table to aim at.
Though the serve is simple, to do it well requires a high level of skill and many practice hours. If you do this kind of serve often you should be able to do a soft short one from same start position as a surprise option.
good luck


Edited by pingpongpaddy - 10/18/2013 at 7:54pm

wturber wrote:

boaspirit wrote: and also is there anyway to create the disappearing effect when serving?

You can't hide the ball and you don't have a Klingon cloaking device.  I have never seen a disappearing effect.   I have seen the ball change pace and/or direction.

I know what makes the ball disappear.

I just need to have an opponent who doesn't watch the ball properly

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i think this is it he contact the ball basically on his endline and when it hit my side( very close to my endline almost touching it) it goes into my non playing elbow and poof i cant see it no more. ( he told me today that he was using more topspin than side spin to make the ball kick thats why the ball jumps and then i cant track it no more)




Edited by boaspirit - 10/19/2013 at 2:11pm

Boaspirit,

What is your playing level? As I have improved, I have realized that what I thought was happening isn't what I realized was happening when I got better.


Good serves require practice, and a better player will make the ball spin more, but you don't serve with more speed without losing spin, unless your overall technique and wrist speed is just much better (practice).

wturber wrote: pingpongpaddy wrote: Hi boaspirit Its worth remembering that, putting topspin on a fast long serve can actually make it easier for your opponent to attack. In fact its a nice ball. Mostly in tournament play the fast long serve is a 'knuckle serve' hit with the racket slightly open so that the ball skids with slight backspin. you dont chop at the ball, you just give it a flat slap slightly below centre. If you are good at changing direction this can make it quite difficult for the looper to open strongly. This kind of serve is quite simple, as that excellent Ping-skills vid shows. Alois is doing it with slight topspin - if he hit slightly below centre it would be the knuckle version. You should practice doing it both down the line and diagonally, remembering that down the line is more difficult because there is only 9 feet of table to aim at. Though the serve is simple, to do it well requires a high level of skill and many practice hours. If you do this kind of serve often you should be able to do a soft short one from same start position as a surprise option. good luck I'd add that another key is changing the spin.  Serve fast with topspin.  But later serve fast with minimal spin.  Forcing your opponent to rapidly make a decision about spin because the serve is fast can help generate an error from your opponent. Now, see if you can serve short and dead with the same service motion right up until contact.  If you can, you can really get your opponent out of rhythm.

Wturber has given you the best advice, also fast serves usually work if done in a random way rather than doing them constantly, now trying to get a serve that is fast and spinny,is a little harder, some suggestions is move back one step , make the first bounce close to your end line, really hit the ball on the side or top in a quick action at the same time letting the ball drop before contact and keep practicing, then in 2 years time you will re-read the good advice you were given and realise deception and subtile changes are the key to a good serve, I say to my students "are you serving for yourself or are you serving for your opponent, your choice"

smackman wrote: wturber wrote: pingpongpaddy wrote: Hi boaspirit Its worth remembering that, putting topspin on a fast long serve can actually make it easier for your opponent to attack. In fact its a nice ball. Mostly in tournament play the fast long serve is a 'knuckle serve' hit with the racket slightly open so that the ball skids with slight backspin. you dont chop at the ball, you just give it a flat slap slightly below centre. If you are good at changing direction this can make it quite difficult for the looper to open strongly. This kind of serve is quite simple, as that excellent Ping-skills vid shows. Alois is doing it with slight topspin - if he hit slightly below centre it would be the knuckle version. You should practice doing it both down the line and diagonally, remembering that down the line is more difficult because there is only 9 feet of table to aim at. Though the serve is simple, to do it well requires a high level of skill and many practice hours. If you do this kind of serve often you should be able to do a soft short one from same start position as a surprise option. good luck I'd add that another key is changing the spin.  Serve fast with topspin.  But later serve fast with minimal spin.  Forcing your opponent to rapidly make a decision about spin because the serve is fast can help generate an error from your opponent. Now, see if you can serve short and dead with the same service motion right up until contact.  If you can, you can really get your opponent out of rhythm. Wturber has given you the best advice, also fast serves usually work if done in a random way rather than doing them constantly, now trying to get a serve that is fast and spinny,is a little harder, some suggestions is move back one step , make the first bounce close to your end line, really hit the ball on the side or top in a quick action at the same time letting the ball drop before contact and keep practicing, then in 2 years time you will re-read the good advice you were given and realise deception and subtile changes are the key to a good serve, I say to my students "are you serving for yourself or are you serving for your opponent, your choice"

thats a nice quote thank you for the advice i will try everything out

tt4me wrote: NextLevel wrote: Sidespin (corkscrew components) in practice allows the ball to go through the table faster than pure topspin or underspin.   This doesn't make sense.