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haggisv
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Posted: 10/19/2013 at 5:41am |
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I've got to glue some red OX long pimple rubber onto a blade (for a friend) that has
some dark lines showing (in the wood, not graphics)... so gluing the sheet will definitely show them
though, which is something he does not want. I've used white glue sheets before, but the glue sheets I have at the moment are all transparent, so that won't help.
Can anyone think of some glue sheets that are white, i.e. not transparent? Thanks a lot |
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No-one has seen one?
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neutronbomb
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I have not. Would he be ok with you painting the blade red?
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Probably, and that's a good thought, but that's a fair bit of effort since I don't have the tools or paint.
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I think sanding the black lines (print) off is the easiest.
I don't recall seeing non transparent glue sheets Otherwise, black rubber will be your best optiont |
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stiltt
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spray paint the glue sheet itself? I doubt the bonding characteristics of the glue will be affected.
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Go get some coffee. You're coating the glue sheet and say it'd have no effect ?? |
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Agreed with the black rubber, if you sand, you prob should also seal...more work for you. |
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are there black lines on both sides?
I think the paint might not dry properly on the glue sheet so sanding the lines off is probably best. however I dont think any action is required to be legal |
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This is a problem with gluing many OX red LP rubbers on many blades due to graphics on both sides of the blade or the blade having dark colored wood or wood grains showing through as they tend to be transparent.
Cole Ely used to have some white glue sheets (colestt dot com). Not sure whether he still has any in stock. He's in the US. Other option is to use matte (not glossy) white color spray paint (buy a small can) and paint the side of the blade you want to attach the LP to. Spray from a distance of about 15 inches, going side to side and apply a thin layer. Once dry, you can use a fine grit sand paper to sand it painted side smooth (if needed.) This does a very good job of covering any dark colors and does not change the playing characteristics of the blade. Apply only the thinnest layer of paint possible while also covering the dark wood/graphics. Cover the handle and edges of the blade before painting. You can practice this on a scrap piece of wood. The only down side is that you may not be able to sell a painted blade as easily as some people may not like the fact that one side is painted.
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spray painting the glue sheet adds a very thin coat; the thinnest coat possible actually; nothing you can feel at play time; no more than what we'd feel by painting or sanding the blade itself, like members you did not jump on proposed above. Add salt to your own coffee; you are too sweet this morning.
Spray paint a side of the glue sheet once before applying on the blade, on the side that contacts the blade and another time after that before applying the rubber on it. The worst that can happen is to loose a glue sheet if you are right; to be sure, I would actually try with a broken unusable blade first; or a piece of wood that can be a substitute for the experience: if the paint transfer to the wood when taking off the glue sheet then we have a problem, unless it can be washed out easily. Of course best is to 1st normally apply the glue sheet to the blade and spray paint only the side that contacts the rubber; it might be enough and the blade will not be threatened in any way. |
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http://www.butterflyonline.com/inventory.asp?CatId={290C518B-0641-401B-B04C-73C88AEC39B1}
No, this won't work. Best to use a black OX sheet. Edited by jt99sf - 10/20/2013 at 3:58pm |
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Because you'd be painting the glue. Doing that would probably affect is adhesive qualities. What you want is for the thin plastic layer between the two layers of glue to be opaque. But the adhesive layer covers that. So you can't paint it without removing the adhesive layer. |
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Technically that's not legal. But practically it might work depending on how well the glue adheres to the sheet. Painting the blade is technically not legal either. But then having a painting label on the blade surface is also not technically legal. From the standpoint of possibly altering playing characteristics and possibly needing to argue the legality, I think painting the blade is the best option. Using a "paint sheet" is probably the next best option |
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A forum member gave me one of these glue sheets, which he said he had obtained from Cole. The sheet works well in hiding the graphics on the blade. However, the glue sheet was a nightmare to remove when I needed to change rubber. |
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THanks for all the comments guys!
Sorry, I should have made it clearer in my first post.... the lines are from the wood (the grain & pattern of the cut), not from any graphics in there. The blade is also a combination blade, so the pimples have to go on that particular side. To make it worse, the long pimple is more effective in red, so I have no choice but to use red. |
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I just had a similar problem removing a glue sheet. I used a blow drier to soften the glue and that made it scrape off fairly easily with a putty knife. |
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Jay Turberville
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cole_ely
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if you have any old air samples around, they came with glue sheets that are opaque
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I'm not an expert in this area at all - just wondering will the following product help?
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If he doesn't like the look but the bat is legal, I really don't see an issue. If any, it lies with the owner of the blade.
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Well, that's the problem. An umpire or referee might very well consider the lines showing through as being illegal. It's a somewhat fuzzy area. The rules aren't crystal clear on this. |
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Any umpires online here ?
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I think the fact haggisv noticed the lines - would indicate it would be distracting opponents. At least someone could ask for a ruling during a tournament.
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I am an umpire. Keep in mind that a player can always appeal an umpire's interpretation to the tournament referee. I gave details on the rules and T4 guidelines that might cause an umpire or referee to make a stink on OOAK forum. I could argue this one either way - legal or illegal. If pushed, I'd say the rules are not clear enough to say that it is illegal. But a referee could easily disagree. Here's my posting from OOAK: "It is certainly open for debate. I don't think this one is clear. An official might argue that either of these two rules apply. 2.4.6 The surface of the covering material on a side of the blade, or of a side of the blade if it is left uncovered, shall be matt, bright red on one side and black on the other. Here they might argue that only some portions of the covering are bright red. 2.4.7.1 Slight deviations from continuity of surface or uniformity of colour due to accidental damage or wear may be allowed provided that they do not significantly change the characteristics of the surface. You could use the above passage above to argue either way. On the one hand, it implies that uniformity of color matters and deviation is only allowed due to wear or accidental damage. On the other, it also suggest that non-uniform color can be tolerated (technically only if from damage or wear) if it does not significantly change the characteristics (playing characteristics implied). There are also passages in the T4 pamphlet that make it clear that they have a goal of a uniformly colored surface for racket surfaces. "1.4.3. Sandwich rubber More than one layer of cellular rubber (sponge) is not permitted, even if the layers are of the same composition. However, if the top sheet is translucent, then the layer underneath must be uniformly coloured; it is not permitted for a manufacturer's logo on the lower layer, or on the blade, to show through." "1. The racket covering It should be noted in particular that:Authorisation is given to the top sheet plus the top sheet / sponge combination. Red and black top sheets with the same ITTF number or supplier and brand name must have the same geometry, properties, and text (wording and numbering). The surface colours must be uniform. Red and black top sheets of the same brand do not require separate authorisation fees." |
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If he's a tournament player, he should switch to black OX or blade.
If a club/rec player, who cares ??
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Thank you Cole! Yes those are the only I remember like that...never seen any others from other brands. Thanks for the reminder though... I'll see if I have any old samples left. |
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Thank you. yes my friend is concerned about the legality, and wtuber post has outlined this really well. If it was for myself, I would not bother. BTW black was not option in this case, as he wants the higher reversal that red offers. |
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I thought I might revive this topic to see if anyone else knows of opaque glue sheets. Although I found 1 or 2 old glue sheets to do the job, I'll need more in future, and I've stilkl not found anyone that sells them.... they're all transparent!
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Arn`t the Giant Dragon ones that come with their lp`s opaque maybe you can get them direct from Giant Dragon if you have the contact ibfo?
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