Baal wrote: I guess some things need to be spelled out.  It would be pretty interesting if he worked at McDonalds too, but here is the point about the fact he is an MD:  The point is that the things you have to do to be a physician make it pretty hard to do any of the things you need to become a high level TT player.  The LP guy is not training 4 hours a day, he has a full-time job that he can't really blow off---you know, working at a hospital seeing sick people, stuff like that.  Since he is a physician, there was a long period in his life (like from age 18-30 maybe longer, maybe a bit less, depending on specialty) when it is unlikely he was able to train at all given the studying, exams, 18 hour work days and stretches of 36 hours straight being on-call---this being the age when most players are in their prime or level and improvement.  And he still pulled it off.  Against a guy who quit high school in his freshman year to pursue his dream of being a professional table tennis player, and who did succeed in becoming the #1 player on his nation's men's team. Kids, don't quit school to become a ping pong player, but if you really insist on it -- train abroad.    edited by Baal....

life is not about winning or losing.

maybe the kid just likes to play ping pong, so he chose to do that.
even if he loses 50 times against physician he'll be happy because he is doing what he likes.

maybe physician hates his job and his only happy time during the day is that 1 hour when he goes play ping pong.

in the end, who lived a happier life?


Edited by puppy412 - 12/09/2013 at 8:07pm

it's not a question of style when its a 2600+ player losing to a 2300 player. The 2600 player clearly has the tools necessary to win, but instead fails to come up with a suitable strategy. he could have easily served dead balls the entire time and finished the next ball. i'm surprised after this many years of training/matches he hasn't figured this out. it's not like he's out of practice. he was just in europe playing ittf events and training full time.

You're right, there's no such thing as a long pips player that knows what to do with dead serves. 

you all are talking as if one bad loss in a small tournament is gonna be some huge career-ending loss for tim wang

If you look at Jafar's last tournament results on the USATT site, you will see he had chances of beating a 2500 and a 2600 player. Both went the full distance and one actually ended in duece.

LP blockers are very dangerous. At my level just a nightmare. At high level still a nightmare unless a strong strategy is in place.

puppy412 wrote: I don't understand... is there a need for excuses? he just lost to a player who played better that game. can happen to anyone. even ma long could lose against me one day.

A great win for all the dark-siders!

I was under the impression long and medium pips are weakness at the elite levels. Usually, they pick on that pips side - pips players just end up defending. 

i still think that sometimes it does come down to style... everyone, at every level has a zone that they arent as confident/good in and if the opponant plays in that zone, he has a shot even if hes ranked lower... just an opinion tho... ive played guys who were supposedly better than me but my deffensive abilities and consistency far from the table threw them off guard and they lost

NextLevel wrote: beeray1 wrote: You're right, there's no such thing as a long pips player that knows what to do with dead serves.  Riddle me this: what is an OX long pips player going to do to the ball other than return it dead with his pips, no matter where he places it?

Edited by beeray1 - 12/10/2013 at 1:43am

Watch the match between Dimitri Ovtcharov and Fabian Åkerström.  DO made quite a few "beginner" mistake against FA's LP (couldn't handle spin from his serve coming back, pushed a top spin ball, ...).  You cant assume since a player is at high level, he is comfortable playing against all styles.

beeray1 wrote: NextLevel wrote: beeray1 wrote: You're right, there's no such thing as a long pips player that knows what to do with dead serves.  Riddle me this: what is an OX long pips player going to do to the ball other than return it dead with his pips, no matter where he places it? Riddle me this: What OX Long Pips player of notable level is only going to use said pips for every service return?  Of course, this could be moot if the guy Tim lost to was only using his pips for everything. In which case, I got nothin'   However, the asterisk of "no matter where he places it" doesn't work, because that wasn't even considered in the post I responded to.  The comment I responded to was, " ..he could have easily served dead balls the entire time and finished the next ball. i'm surprised after this many years of training/matches he hasn't figured this out."  This puts the dead ball serve as an ultimate answer to a pips player. If that's the case, no reason for anyone in the world to play pips because they are helpless all the time. Just serve dead and you win. If a pips player returns a well placed low shot with his pips from a dead serve, especially varying the pace, his placement can prevent the finishing of the next ball every single time. A low dead ball is harder to open with authority than a cut ball or topspin ball because there's no spin to use for your shot. You have to come up with all of it.  I'd really want to see this video regardless. What's the name of the canadian player that uses MP/LP on one of those huge autograph blades? David Mahabir I think? I think it's a similar thing.  I saw this guy that beat Tim play Zhou Xin at the L.A. Open and Zhou Xin looked really bored beating him. But I think the guy got a game anyway.

NextLevel wrote: beeray1 wrote: You're right, there's no such thing as a long pips player that knows what to do with dead serves.  Riddle me this: what is an OX long pips player going to do to the ball other than return it dead with his pips, no matter where he places it?

Tommy16 wrote: NextLevel wrote: beeray1 wrote: You're right, there's no such thing as a long pips player that knows what to do with dead serves.  Riddle me this: what is an OX long pips player going to do to the ball other than return it dead with his pips, no matter where he places it? If you have played with good ox lp player you would know that they can push really fast and low no spin returns to weird places. And you know it´s really hard to attack that kind of returns if you are not really really good player (and I mean world class). The cap between 2300 and 2600 isnt´huge if you are thinking about player that isn´t comfortable with lp plocking style.