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    Posted: 12/09/2013 at 2:56pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-Ui8hNhA94

Anyone know if there were any excuses for this loss by Tim, such as injury? Or does he simply have no idea how to play against this style?
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Interesting.

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this is definitely from a tournament match, round of 16 at California State Open
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http://www.milpitas-tabletennis.com/ICC_Tournament/Dec2013/Draws/15SE.pdf

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Incredible.
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I don't understand...
is there a need for excuses?
he just lost to a player who played better that game.
can happen to anyone.
even ma long could lose against me one day.
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Is Jafar MD, Shuja's backhand rubber, a LP rubber?
(At Tim's level, he knows how LP works and how to deal with it. He must have failed to adjust?)


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he uses ox long pips bh and short pips on fh
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Reason?
Jafar is good....thats it.
He's a lp player. A very good one.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Incredible.


I played Jafar twice this year at Gao Jun's new club right before the LA Open.  His bh block is very consistent and his fh attacks are extremely nasty.  A super nice fellow (and a MD too Smile).





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Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:


even ma long could lose against me one day.
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My initial post might have come off the wrong way. I'm very impressed by Shuja's play, and have a lot of respect for him reaching such a high level with long pips. My main question is how Tim managed to lose 0-3, I would have thought a player of his level would be able to adapt to Shuja's style and play accordingly. 

Should be interesting to see what happens at the US Nationals next week... plenty of "wild card" possibilities at this point

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Originally posted by kyle90 kyle90 wrote:

My initial post might have come off the wrong way. I'm very impressed by Shuja's play, and have a lot of respect for him reaching such a high level with long pips. My main question is how Tim managed to lose 0-3, I would have thought a player of his level would be able to adapt to Shuja's style and play accordingly. 

Should be interesting to see what happens at the US Nationals next week... plenty of "wild card" possibilities at this point


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I'm sure Tim has a very good excuse for losing.
Trust me, good players always have a good excuse
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Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

I don't understand...
is there a need for excuses?
he just lost to a player who played better that game.
can happen to anyone.
even ma long could lose against me one day.
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yes, this is definitely possible... as long as ma long is restricted to playing with a q-tip instead of a paddle
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Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

I don't understand...
is there a need for excuses?
he just lost to a player who played better that game.
can happen to anyone.
even ma long could lose against me one day.
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yes, this is definitely possible... as long as ma long is restricted to playing with a q-tip instead of a paddle


do I play with a q-tip as well or do I get to use a paddle?
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Well, when you think about it, it is honestly rather sad. Tim was our Olympic representative (talking to the US folks here), and he lost to a 2300 player. Nevertheless, the other guy seemed to be playing very well, and his placements were throwing Tim off quite a bit. However, the US will never be on the world-class level with performances from our Olympian like that. 
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Originally posted by JonathanVN JonathanVN wrote:

Well, when you think about it, it is honestly rather sad. Tim was our Olympic representative (talking to the US folks here), and he lost to a 2300 player. Nevertheless, the other guy seemed to be playing very well, and his placements were throwing Tim off quite a bit. However, the US will never be on the world-class level with performances from our Olympian like that. 


well it's only sad if you look at it from the side of wang.
I'm sure the other guy was quite happy about the win.
what is the ranking of wang?
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Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

I don't understand...
is there a need for excuses?
he just lost to a player who played better that game.
can happen to anyone.
even ma long could lose against me one day.
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yes, this is definitely possible... as long as ma long is restricted to playing with a q-tip instead of a paddle


do I play with a q-tip as well or do I get to use a paddle?
LOL

you would use your normal setup... also, i forgot that ma long would have to be extremely sleep deprived and would have to stand on one leg throughout the match
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Originally posted by JonathanVN JonathanVN wrote:

Well, when you think about it, it is honestly rather sad. Tim was our Olympic representative (talking to the US folks here), and he lost to a 2300 player. Nevertheless, the other guy seemed to be playing very well, and his placements were throwing Tim off quite a bit. However, the US will never be on the world-class level with performances from our Olympian like that. 

unfortunately, I'd say you're absolutely correct
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I would love to see the whole match, is it anywhere on you tube ?
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Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

I don't understand...
is there a need for excuses?
he just lost to a player who played better that game.
can happen to anyone.
even ma long could lose against me one day.
Ermm

yes, this is definitely possible... as long as ma long is restricted to playing with a q-tip instead of a paddle


do I play with a q-tip as well or do I get to use a paddle?
LOL

you would use your normal setup... also, i forgot that ma long would have to be extremely sleep deprived and would have to stand on one leg throughout the match


do they chop off my arms and legs before the match or something? LOL
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Originally posted by roundrobin roundrobin wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Incredible.


I played Jafar twice this year at Gao Jun's new club right before the LA Open.  His bh block is very consistent and his fh attacks are extremely nasty.  A super nice fellow (and a MD too Smile).



Well for sure, this guy has to be really good to pull something like this off.  My hat is off to this guy, permanently!!!  

All the same a physician who plays for fun and is an LP blocker (obviously a really good one!) just knocked off the number 1 guy on our national team (3-0!!).  If this is an endorsement of the current state of American table tennis, then I am a nun. 
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by roundrobin roundrobin wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Incredible.


I played Jafar twice this year at Gao Jun's new club right before the LA Open.  His bh block is very consistent and his fh attacks are extremely nasty.  A super nice fellow (and a MD too Smile).



Well for sure, this guy has to be really good to pull something like this off.  My hat is off to this guy, permanently!!!  

All the same a physician who plays for fun and is an LP blocker (obviously a really good one!) just knocked off the number 1 guy on our national team (3-0!!).  If this is an endorsement of the current state of American table tennis, then I am a nun. 
On the flip side, it could be a great endorsement for staying in school Big smile
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I don't understand people mentioning that the guy is a physician.
what if the guy cleaned toilets at mc donalds?
would it make it any different?

like being a physician took more effort than cleaning toilets or driving a bus or whatever existing occupation you want to compare it to....
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I guess some things need to be spelled out.  It would be pretty interesting if he worked at McDonalds too, but here is the point about the fact he is an MD:  The point is that the things you have to do to be a physician make it pretty hard to do any of the things you need to become a high level TT player.  The LP guy is not training 4 hours a day, he has a full-time job that he can't really blow off---you know, working at a hospital seeing sick people, stuff like that.  Since he is a physician, there was a long period in his life (like from age 18-30 maybe longer, maybe a bit less, depending on specialty) when it is unlikely he was able to train at all given the studying, exams, 18 hour work days and stretches of 36 hours straight being on-call---this being the age when most players are in their prime or level and improvement.  And he still pulled it off. 

Against a guy who quit high school in his freshman year to pursue his dream of being a professional table tennis player, and who did succeed in becoming the #1 player on his nation's men's team.

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Gee, what would we do without long pips?   ShockedShockedShocked

Edited by geardaddy - 12/09/2013 at 7:14pm
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I was at the tournament and witnessed the whole match.  The reason he lost?  He did EVERY shot that he's NOT supposed to against a LP player - side spin serve, heavy side and top spin attack....
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I guess he didn't watch the video of Schlager vs. Pushblocker.
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