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simonphelps
Beginner Joined: 01/02/2014 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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Posted: 01/07/2014 at 8:11pm |
I have very little experience and knowledge and I am looking for some info on good quality balls. I have the opportunity to purchase some Prince 3 star balls at a good price but I didn't know if I would be way better off getting something else.
Is getting 3 star balls a must? If I get 3 star balls will I be safe in most cases no matter what brand I get? |
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JacekGM
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Seriously... people in my club value Nittaku 3 star Made in Japan, and Butterfly balls. However, I play quite a bit with Gambler *** Platinum, they are good enough and much cheaper. Brace for more...
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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haggisv
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If you play competition, you should make sure the balls are ITTF approved, since not all of them are. For example the Gambler and Prince are not ITTF approved, yet they may be very good balls and usually better value if you don't play competition. You can find the current list of approved balls here: http://www.ittf.com/stories/Pictures/Balls_01_14.pdf
Apart from this, most 3* balls are pretty good, and it comes down to a matter of opinion on which balls are best. There are also some variations between batches of balls, so sometimes a ball gets a bad wrap coz someone got a bad batch. 2* or 1* balls are usually still OK for practice or ball machines, but they generally don't havr the consistancy (roundness, weight, wieght distribution, etc) of 3* balls. |
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NBSR
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Pretty funny when some people suddenly miss balls (when they did not in the short beginning), start looking at their paddle and the ball itself, then toss the ball away when they see it is not a 3-star ball. When they replace it with a 3-star of their own and still keep on missing their shots, I like to observe the looks on their baffled faces... |
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simonphelps
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I'm seeing some balls that say CTTA approved...is this different in some way?
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hookumsnivy
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I've never played with that brand, nor have I ever seen them at a club. My guess is that they're not "real" 3* balls. What I mean by that, is that if you don't put an ittf logo or something on it, you can put 3 starts on the ball and call it a 3 star ball. Gogo brand balls do that.
Gambler are more than adequate and quite cheap.
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cole_ely
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You know, I think the 3* Sportcraft from wal mart are decent in a pinch. Prince might be the same.
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Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b
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the_theologian
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I concur
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Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
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igorponger
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POOR TABLE, POOR GAME.
Mind you don't play on the cheap, non-standard tables. Highly reflective table's surface and the table's topboard to produce poor and irregular bouncing will make your life cursed and unhappy. Even for taking some 3star super-puper ball you most likely to get your eyes blind with time and your strokes uncontrolable while on the tables of poor quolity.. Yes. |
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haggisv
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Lucky you mentioned the word "ball" in there, or I would have thought you posted in the wrong thread. |
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j-bo
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Considering the OP is in the US.... and Gambler *** are USATT approved, he is fine using them. I use them in my robot and in play at the club and no one can tell the difference between it and the Nittaku Premiums that they've spent 7x more on. Edited by j-bo - 01/08/2014 at 9:31am |
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Imago
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Tried Gambler 3*, but Joola Magic balls exceed all of the budget balls. They are always round, just 2.7 g and pleasantly hard. Consistent with every next batch. What a shame they are not ITTF approved and still better than 90% of the ITTF approved balls.
http://www.joolausa.com/Professional/Pro-Balls/Magic-Balls |
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manraid
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what about tibhar 3 stars balls ? is it good enough ?
Edited by manraid - 01/29/2014 at 7:55am |
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n8stee
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CTTA is china's versions of the USATT. Real Dhs balls have this on them
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I'm Nate
BLADE: YEO Cpen BH: Xiom Omega IV Asia/Pogo pips out FH: DHS Hurricane 2 neo Blade: Nittaku Ruforal Jpen FH: Nittaku Renanos Soft RPB: focus 3 snipe< |
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dabookerman
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I bought some Prince balls for the robot a while ago and they were okay. If you'd like to get a good ball at a great price, I'd recommend the Double Fish three-stars (from www.ttnpp.com or elsewhere - don't buy off of Ebay). You can get three ITTF balls for under a buck a piece which is cheaper than Prince, too.
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cheondo
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I didn't notice a difference in balls until I played for many years and got better. If you don't notice a difference, good for you, keep playing with cheap balls.
However, once you notice, then you'll need to buy good balls. Even Butterfly and other companies produce some bad balls. What I mean is that the bounce is inconsistent. If you keep hitting the sides of the racket and missing, it may be a oblong ball. For example, the club I play at has loads of Andro 3-star balls. But these are absolute shite. Out of five balls, I might find one consistently round ball. This is one of the topcs that get lots of varied responses b/c people are at varied levels of sensitivity in play. Buy cheap balls until you can't deal with the unpredictable bounce, then you'll have to pony up for the good stuff.
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JimT
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Just buy Gambler Platinum 3-star from colestt.com - $13 for a bag of 36 is a bargain... or if you don't need that many, get the Double Fish 3-star from zeropong.com (as many as you want). Don't buy anything table tennis-related in Wal-Mart or at your local regular sporting goods store... just to be on the safe side. |
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frogger
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I like Nittaku 3 Star Premium or DHS 3 Star for competition. for practice as long as it's spherical and not to light is fine with me. Gambler Platinum balls are a big bang for the buck. A very nice ball at low price.
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LUCKYLOOP
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Gambler 3 star are very sturdy. Check out the inside ball seam of a broken one compared to a Nittaku or other name brand. It is thicker.
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Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0
Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
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ashishsharmaait
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I can recommend Neottec Select balls from TT11. They are better than your average practice ball, as good as DHS 3* and same cost as a 1* ball.
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JRSDallas
Silver Member Joined: 09/03/2005 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 585 |
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A new, very good ball that has been checked for roundness (spin on table and look for wobble) makes just as much difference as a good table does -- both take unnecessary variability out of the playing equation.
A good ball bounces truer, provides a more reliable trajectory and it takes power and spin better. Why? Because there is no wobble due to out of round or soft spots that feel funny, i.e. feel like you have no power and spin. A good ball has the right weight and it gives you a reliable dwell and rebound. Even once you get a good ball, there is a lot of feel difference between them: Double Fish 3 star -- My favorite 40mm ball. Reliable bounce and spin and good medium hard feed with medium dwell. Nittaku Premium 3 star -- Best ball during the 38mm era but became more fragile with questionable roundness quality after 40 mm. I find it has a lighter feel and less dwell than Double Fish even though it weighs the same. It plays quick. DHS 3 *** - A very good ball with a softer and longer dwell feel than the first two balls. DHS lets you get a better spin feel but it doesn't feel as balanced between hitting and spinning. Plays slower. Gambler 3 *** -- Feels thin hard and light. I don't like it. STIGA 3 *** - OK ball has always had a heavier feel to me. Champion 3 *** Platinum -- On weight and round with good surface. Probably a good ball but haven't played it enough to have opinion (will do so today). Spending money on a good ball seems like a no brainer benefit. You spend more on a cheap hamburger than on a good TT ball and it lets me enjoy the game more. I am sure that there are cheap balls that can be very good but I don't want to waste time discovering which ones are good and if the second batch will have the same quality as the first batch. Edited by JRSDallas - 02/01/2014 at 1:53pm |
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Galaxy T1 89 gm
FH: HRT Huaruite Wujilong 2 - Dragon 2 II, Max, Black Donic Acuda S2, Max, Red |
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igorponger
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BEWARE OF THE NON STANDARD PBs.
Take care that you only purchase plastic balls marked as ITTF APPROVED 40+. If you do get fake, non standard product, you will also get misunderstanding of the ball's actual virtues and disadvantages. Prior to purchasing PBs in bulk, be sure to test the ball samples for mass and size, with the view to avoid a fake product. Jewelry balance and digital caliper are great helpers in doing the tests.. Nittaku is to supply PB in mass by April this year. They are the famous ball specialists, being able enough to make PB playing very-very close to the celluloid. I do trust Nittaku production competence most of all the other ball suppliers. My foresight on what is to come : --there should be DRAMATIC difference in performance between different PB brands. We have to try OUT all the PB brands to come up on market and decide on the best suited one. Get ready !!!! |
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