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tom
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the Feel SX sounds like a good (character) range for me. Anyone tried it?
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kindof99
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Feel AX was marked as almost stiff on the blade surface
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richrf
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I don't think it is possible to put much into thes ratings without any manufacturer specifications, particularly if it is made in China, where there is virtually no quality control. It can be made anywhere by anyone with almost anything. Sort of a shot in the dark. Edited by richrf - 10/30/2017 at 12:43pm |
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ohwell
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Careful with the sweeping generalizations. Not sure where you get the idea that there is no virtually no quality control for anything made in China but that's just false - not just in general, but for table tennis products too. In China, like everywhere else, quality control is mostly a function of how much resources the manufacturer is willing to spend on quality control - and on throwing out items that aren't up to snuff. The relevant question would be: what do we know about the quality control for made in china Xiom blades? I certainly don't have a definitive answer, but I do know that it's good enough for their M.i.C. blades to earn high praises on most forums... |
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richrf
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Manufacturing QC in China is a joke, and I'm being as careful as this subject warrants. The only concern is maximizing profits, period. That is why all manufacturing is being moved there. Manufactures that have their own factories like Butterfly is the way I always liked it. I like it even more when companies put the composition of their products on the label. Tough to find high quality products anywhere any more. Just a shame. Edited by richrf - 10/30/2017 at 1:11pm |
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ohwell
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Ok this is getting way off topic, so I'll leave it at that.
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kindof99
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These blades are made by Xiom, not by a company in China. If there is any quality control problem, it is Xiom's problem, not china's. It is not fair to blame everything made in China on China.
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AndySmith
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Feel ZX2, ZX3, HX Pro, HX, SX, S7 are Made in Japan Feel ZX1, AX are Made in China
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This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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richrf
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Thanks. I noticed that the ZX3 was made in Japan, and I sent an inquiry to Xiom about the composition as well as whether they are actually using 250 year old Kiso Honoki trees. In any case, it is probably too fast for me. The AX looked interesting and I did inquire into the composition of that blade, but if I buy, I'll probably try to get it locally so I can inspect it. Edited by richrf - 10/30/2017 at 1:57pm |
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AndySmith
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I like some of the blades in this range, but it feels like Xiom have thrown everything at the wall to see what sticks. 8 new blades and they're all Off or above? I'm happy going a bit slower in my old age.
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This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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ohwell
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Yeah, I'm also wondering what they are trying to do with this series. Whatever it may be, they are doing a very bad job with messaging, and helping customers understand what the different blades are for. My best guess is that they are doing a few things at once: mostly updating their lineup and releasing a (?) more affordable Z+carbon blade. The entire Novus line has a dated look compared with their other lines. The retired Hayabusa line had a look that's a lot like the Novus blades. Whereas the Feel blades look more like the Omega, Vega and Zeta. Earlier this year they also released the Musa Asia and Musa Euro blades - all wood 5 and 7 ply. Then the Zx1 is by far the most affordable Zephilium-carbon blade they offer. With these considerations in mind the two blades that remain most mysterious are the ZX2 and ZX3. The price is up there with the Vega blades.. |
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NextLevel
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The Vega blades were flexy and OFF- in character when initially released. This was a good thing for me when I first used them but I can see why some people were turned off now.
The issue with making blades is figuring out what someone will use that hasn't already been designed. Until Xiom tells me which pros they are working with to design their blades or what their blades are designed to achieve, it's a dead end. |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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Luis.agr06
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Hey guy i acually have the the AX 88g and vega pro 85g. The AX is much harder and faster than vega pro but it does not lack control. It has crisp shart feeling that i found very enjoyable. Does remind me of a tm alc. I tried the Stradivarius too and there silimar too.
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Xiom Vega Pro
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Saitama
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what is the head dimension of the ax?
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ohwell
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I wouldn’t be surprised if the concerns you raise about the Vega blades have been taken into consideration with these blades. But yeah, they are pretty much slamming the brakes out of the gate on this release by doing such an abysmal job with PR. They should at the very least explain what each blade is meant to achieve in comparison with other Xiom blades. (Even if it’s just some 2 axis graph like Buttefly’s blade matrix.) |
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ohwell
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Hmm accidental double post, how do I delete?
Edited by ohwell - 11/01/2017 at 9:59am |
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richrf
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When blades get into this price range range they have to clearly specify what they are made of and other specifications otherwise different factories can build whatever they want and there is no recourse for buyers, especially if they do not answer emails. So far my inquiries into the composition of AX and ZX3 are unanswered. Still, i know T11 does offer return privileges with buyer paying return postage.
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AndySmith
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I wish all manufacturers were this clear, but we're a long way away sadly. For construction, IMO SoulSpin are the benchmark. I bought a SS-made Gewo blade recently and it has the construction printed on the box, including thickness of each ply. The only thing missing is the raw info about the carbon layer, but that's nit picking. In the absence of the materials, we only have whatever the manufacturers deem fit to tell us. How much of that is trustworthy is up for debate, but things are at least moving away from vague speed/spin numbers. Xiom frustrate me. They have amazing presentation and some great ideas and products, but they always seem to be slightly "off" in some way. Some of their ranges just don't make intuitive sense, and it's hard to unpack the marketing from the reality. This stuff becomes more important when you start to charge big prices IMO.
Edited by AndySmith - 11/01/2017 at 10:28am |
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This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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richrf
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I very much agree. I have read some marketing comments by Xiom, which raised some red flags. This is why with Xiom I would only purchase if I actually had the ability to personally inspect the merchandise or ask the retailer for specific information before purchasing. Because I am in the U.S., it is cumbersome communicating via email but quite comfortable discussing individual products over the phone with Paddle Palace who have always been very helpful. Edited by richrf - 11/01/2017 at 10:34am |
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AndySmith
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Good luck! Please report back anything you're able to find out.
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This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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ohwell
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Where is the Aramid carbon layer? Outer or inner layer? (Looks like outer layer on the picture but I’m having trouble zooming in..) Edited by ohwell - 11/02/2017 at 10:42am |
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vishal_dindoyal
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It's just below the outer ply. The aramid carbon layer seems to be thinner than in most other ALC blades.
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Luis.agr06
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Hey I'm selling the Feel Ax if anyone is interested. Check out for sale section, It's was a great blade good sharp feeling but it was a little too fast for me.
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Xiom Vega Pro
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richrf
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I checked with Tabletennis11 about the AX. As usual they were very helpful and prompt with their response. Their AX blades in ST weigh 82 - 91 gms and they have no information regarding the wood composition.
Edited by richrf - 11/03/2017 at 9:51pm |
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iakovka
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Tried Xiom Feel AX today.
Except that I did not sand-paper it enough before first practice I got a blister half way through the training session...here are my first impressions: 88-89 gram. Smells like slightly smoked wood. Nice finish and looks sharp. Tried it with Xiom Omega Tour Max & Rakza & Soft 2 MM. 1 - It is certainly not a slow blade and and faster than Butterfly Spirit or ALC. 10-15%. (played with latter long enough to be sure about it). So OFF with small +. Almost as fast as ZXI, maybe just a half a notch faster than Omega Europe. 2-Right away noticed that it is quite loud when it hits the ball. Much louder than any of those: I /Omega Euro/ /TBS / ALC. Xiom Omega Tour is not a soft Rubber but when I was driving/or drive-spinning the ball, it still sounded i was playing with soft rubbers like Calibra Sound. I am not used to it so it irritated me a little but some ppl like the sound. A matter of opinion I guess... 3 - Very good control on chops from the first shots, always an indication of good control for me. (certainly chops better than My Hayabusa ZXI). 4 - Short game. Need more than 1 practice to form solid opinion but feels quite ok for first practice: good short chops/drops, slow flips have enough curve. Less curve than ZXI though. 5 - Spin forehand was just amazing, especially vs. drives and counters. requires slightly more effort to spin from 3rd vs. ZXI zone but 2nd and 1st were solid and precise, exactly where I meant them to be. 5 - Need another session to comment on top spin on heavy chops. It lands in but honestly, by the time it came to situational/game chopping I started to get this annoying callosity (maybe after an hour of practice) which irritated me to much to ignore so I switched on/of to my usual set-up. To be continued ... Edited by iakovka - 01/29/2018 at 1:15am |
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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM |
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George
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Since XIOM Vega Euro and Vega Pro blades are discontinued, can anyone recommend any alternatives? (Not overpriced Butterfly blades please)
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Blade: XIOM Vega Pro FL
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achoomai
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Vega pro is still available on AMAZON.
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My feedback : http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=58844&PN=1#726094
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piligrim
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Is any blade from Feel series similar to Vega Euro?
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mykonos96
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what xiom blade is like rosewood7 but a little more solid or maybe like w968 or HL5?
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Rustico
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somebody can compare XVE and DHS 301 ?
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