2014 WTTC CHINA TRIALS

zeio wrote: assiduous wrote: I cannot believe that the entire Chinese National Team does not have one woman with male style. Like this girl Lin Ye from Singapore (Feng Tianwei is pretty similar). Her game is so beautiful! Even for a man. She has gorgeous strokes! I can see her threaten CNT. I also see CNT developing their own player with that style in the future.  That is the future. They have one - Guo Yue. Unfortunately, she has been expelled from the CNT just recently. Former CNT Coach Lu Yuansheng is the first to put forward the concept "女子打法男性化(Masculinization of female style)." Guo Yue is both the first experimental subject and hopefully the last failure. The thought behind that idea is only natural but through Guo Yue's wasted talent it has been regarded as not feasible in application.

assiduous wrote: TTFrenzy wrote: Ιt is physically impossible for a woman to play like a man, even as  percentage imitation of the manly style. Why would you say that after you already know that such women do exist? You are wrong right off the bat, the rest of your post doesn't matter now.  Women do not counter loop, because to have a counter loop somebody needs to loop first.I don't know if we can call that shot a loop, it is certainly different than a male loop stroke. Perhaps we can call it a floop. A short twitch of the hand is a floop.  Anywho, if nobody has seen this girl Lin Ye, you should. I have never seen anything like it, not even in a 10 mile radius. The entire body behavior, back swing before contact.. All of her strokes are GORGEOUS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaYlgmLh7hU

assiduous wrote: I cannot believe that the entire Chinese National Team does not have one woman with male style. Like this girl Lin Ye from Singapore (Feng Tianwei is pretty similar). Her game is so beautiful! Even for a man. She has gorgeous strokes! I can see her threaten CNT. I also see CNT developing their own player with that style in the future.  That is the future.

Good game.

Without explicitly accusing anyone of wrongdoing in the absence of concrete evidence, I'll just blanketedly remark that in the future, TT needs to get VADA, WADA on board & also decide what to do in case they come across a 'Caster Semenya' like case.

Boosting rubber is going to be so passé...

FH counterloop = man style?What a simple understanding.

Different people has different gestures to fit their physical structure.  What matters is the quality of your shots, not how the gesture looks like.

Even in today's man's TT world, FH looping is giving way to the BH strength. If I can beat others in one shot I would never play counterloops with them.

Among the stars in Chinese women team, Those who rely on the strong attacks are LXX,  LSW (though she is short but she is still strong), Chen Meng While Ding Ning and Zhu Yuling, their shots are softer, and more likely to be a defender.

Both players and coaches admit Lxx has the most advanced skill in women team, and she is first one to use new man technique in 2013 WTTC, which is an important reason that she won the title. So women actually do learn new skills from men.

Ding Ning is changing her skill system because her technique was considered not aggresive enough, falling behind other women players. Now when we talk about "Man style in women's skill", it is more concerned about the attack consciousness, the development tendency of TT skill, the placement of the ball.

The biggest problem of Guo Yue is she only has a good FH shot but never make up her BH flaw, or not well enough, like Feng Yalan, Xu xin, and even Ma Long, that's nothing in today's TT.



Edited by strideforward - 01/29/2014 at 12:10pm

watching ZJK-ML match, it's apparent that ZJK prepared himself for this. He anticipated ML's placement and shots very well. The last match ML was better prepared, by the same token, this time ZJK was the one better prepared to play his opponent. 

strideforward wrote: skip3119 wrote: On men's side, Jike Zhang got the very first ticket to go to Tokyo. After googling of "2014 WTTC Chinese squad trials", couldn't find whether any woman player has been selected. *** 5 male and 5 female players will be selected.*** Lxx is the winner. They both get two more flight tickets for their parents.

skip3119 wrote: strideforward wrote: skip3119 wrote: On men's side, Jike Zhang got the very first ticket to go to Tokyo. After googling of "2014 WTTC Chinese squad trials", couldn't find whether any woman player has been selected. *** 5 male and 5 female players will be selected.*** Lxx is the winner. They both get two more flight tickets for their parents. =============================================== What about Zhu Yuling?  (See below). Both have 11 wins and 2 losses. ====================================== Women:  1 Li Xiaoxia, Zhu Yuling - 11 wins 2 losses 3 Feng Yalan, Mu Zi, Liu Shiwen - 9 wins 4 losses 6 Chen Meng - 8 wins 5 losses 7 Wen Jia, Ding Ning - 7 wins 6 losses

She lost to Li Xiaoxia in the trials, so Li Xiaoxia won

vutiendat1337 wrote: watching ZJK-ML match, it's apparent that ZJK prepared himself for this. He anticipated ML's placement and shots very well. The last match ML was better prepared, by the same token, this time ZJK was the one better prepared to play his opponent.

Two 9-9 games decided by consecutive ZJK winners. I wouldn't put it done to anything material. I was just trying to stoke fanboy interest.

strideforward wrote: Too bad after the last game that ZYL lost to LSW, she shed tears on the bench in the corridor. The two games she lost, one is against LXX, the other is against LSW.

Well it is not very pleasant for me but that is just a matter of preference, so whatever pleases you mate. As for the irony come on dude we are not in high school

skip3119 wrote: strideforward wrote: Too bad after the last game that ZYL lost to LSW, she shed tears on the bench in the corridor. The two games she lost, one is against LXX, the other is against LSW. ========================== They had the same record, or tied. But head-to-head, Zhu Yuling lost to LXX - that's the tie breaker.

Exactly right.Only if she could win one more game. But still I think this is beyond her scope. she had already done her best. Even she cann't make it in the next stage, I think the coaches will give her a recommendatory ticket in the end.

Actually we have the official ranking like this:

1. Li Xiaoxia
2. Zhu Yuling (lost to LXX)
3.Feng Yalan
4.Liu Shiwen (lost to Feng Yalan)
5. Mu Zi (lost both to Feng and Liu)
....

Considering h2h and then the specific score when players have the same wins and losses are consistent rules in the team trials.

assiduous wrote: what is the next stage? I think there will be a battle for the 5th place between YA and WH, and im not sure who will win it.

Any more matches from the trials? What about ZJK:FZD? Or ZJK : XX? Those would be treat to watch.