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    Posted: 02/21/2014 at 1:38pm
Who will win?
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kuka has chicken wing loop LOL
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I think the more important question, considering this is mytabletennis.net, is what is KUKA's set up?
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joola rossi emotion with xiom vega china fh and tibhar grass bh

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~ story from digitaltrends website:

Agilus the robot has balls – albeit of the Ping-Pong variety – as next month it’ll go up against German table tennis pro Timo Boll in a potentially dramatic man-against-machine sports-based face-off.

Built by German robot specialists Kuka Robotics – a firm which you may be surprised to learn has not been acquired by Google (though one can well imagine the Mountain View company buying its creation and sticking it in its Googleplex game room some time soon) – Ping-Pong-playing Agilus will battle against Boll on March 11 at a special event celebrating the opening of a new Kuka production plant in Shanghai.

According to the company’s website, Ping-Pong pro Boll is one of the world’s top players with several international trophies to his name. The left-hander is known as one of the game’s cleverest tacticians, though whether his talent is enough to outwit his robotic opponent remains to be seen.

As for Agilus, we currently know nothing of its skill as a table tennis player as it’s usually hard at work in a factory, with little time for frivolous leisure activities involving bats and balls. It is, however, touted as “the fastest robot in the world,” suggesting Boll will have to be at the top of his game in order to secure victory over Agilus and to ensure other robots stop getting any highfalutin ideas about taking over the world.

To score a win, Bol may be tempted to play nothing but short, wide shots with massive backspin, with Agilus’s limited reach from a fixed base a definite shortcoming. As for Agilus, if it can just keep getting the ball back, the German player may become exhausted, disillusioned, or simply bored into making mistakes, handing a historic win to the robot community.

So who do you think’ll come out on top in this intriguing contest? The all-human all-parts-his-own Boll or the brainless bot with a bat?

Place your bets now.

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what if instead of timo boll they put ma long vs kuka.
it would be machine vs machine LOL
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this is tomorrow guys.. hope not to get frustrated with the duel
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Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

what if instead of timo boll they put ma long vs kuka.
it would be machine vs machine LOL


Ma Long has psychological issues, ergo he is not a machine. But KUKA is probably more sensitive than ZJK, who knows...
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Those are pretty cool looking shoes Timo is wearing... anyone know which ones they are?
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I doubt the robot will have a chance unless Timo Boll must play with a lot of restrictions.  Table tennis is not as constrained as chess.   There are many more options.  I see TT as a contest between two players that try to impose their chaos on the other.  While I think the robot can execute under normal conditions.  I don't think it can adapt to the strange.

Do you guys remember the thread called 'A pushblocker tutorial'.   Cory Eider would serve very high balls to Pushblocker and Pushblocker didn't know what to do with them.   I think Timo could simply lob balls up high so they bounce over the robot's arm.   Another options is to serve very short.  Can the robot reach the net.  What if Timo simply chops the ball?  Can the robot see Timo chopping or can the robot see the back spin of the ball?

The robot doesn't have a chance.  This is the way it was in chess for many years.  Eventually companies like IBM made computer programs that can beat the best people but it didn't happen overnight.   Perhaps in another 20 years.

The sad thing is that they will be too expensive for cheap tt players.

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its just a movie and not a game play, cgi game :(
nice marketing for robotics...



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Haha Kuka Trolled everyone! Well done Marketers LOL
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bad movie at that (i couldn't finish it). The guys who did the graphics have not seen much table tennis. The stupid thing is not even trying to make a real shot . And the cameras are always in the face or somewhere else but you can't really see the contact with the ball. U can't tell whats going on. All this fuss, impotent robot, and poor graphics designers. 
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This was shot in Boyana Film Center last November. Guys who saw the robot said Timo was going to advertise some dentist stuff. Now you see why.


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yeah it was kinda weak

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What a pile of ****!
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And the award for biggest disappointment of the year goes to...
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Timo Boll is trending on Facebook, and the video gets picked up everywhere by mainstream media.

I guess KUKA knew what they were doing...
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Glad that this appears to be beneficial to table tennis recognition. I know a lot of people that were talking about "this European playing a robot" who hardly know anything about the sport. It does indeed look like KUKA new what they were doing.
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Anyone knows what is the setup of Kuka?
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Looks terrible.



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watched the first 30 seconds after the teaser, big let down...
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So what is the general consensus here?  Was it real or faked/CGI?  I think it could be done if the rubber was antispin (the spin is obviously ignored, e.g., at 1:20) and the research was a very well kept secret.  Years ago there were other Ping-Pong playing robots as university research projects, with multiple cameras for robot sensors.  A picture of one can be seen on page 2 of the Amazon preview here: http://www.amazon.com/Robot-Ping-Pong-Player-Experiments-Intelligence/dp/0262511606#reader_0262511606.
There is no revelation as to what the sensor set up was for this Kuka video, or who the researchers were.
Here are more recent developments:
Obviously, these not at the same level as this Kuka robot.  For a robot to be able to play at the level of this Kuka robot, the research would have made a splash in the academic world--again, unless it's kept very secret.
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Aquaman Aquaman wrote:

So what is the general consensus here?  Was it real or faked/CGI?
It is real but highly staged and edited.

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  I think it could be done if the rubber was antispin (the spin is obviously ignored, e.g., at 1:20) and the research was a very well kept secret.
There isn't much to keep secret.  The required physics is simple. 

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Obviously, these not at the same level as this Kuka robot.
The robot itself is not that sophisticated.  There is some external processor that is doing most of the vision and trajectory calculations and then downloading the position for the robot to go too. That part is not shown.  It make the robot seem better than it really is.

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  For a robot to be able to play at the level of this Kuka robot, the research would have made a splash in the academic world--again, unless it's kept very secret.
 
nah.   I do agree it would take time.  There are formulas for all of the calculations but the coefficients of the formulas need to be worked out.  There is a technique called system identification that can do this rapidly compared to simply using trial and error.

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incredibly fake and totally staged

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It was really disappointing because it was highly staged.

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Really, really bad, robots are far away from humans yet. Totally dissapointed.
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