Fastest and most disruptive short pips

but 563 is not fast compared to short pips. also since i play with a slow paddle it wont work out. 

Avallo wrote: bbkon wrote: Avallo wrote: TSP Tryanno you need  to play with a stiff OFF blade or  you will set off the disruptive properties,anyway tyrano doenst last, pips breaking sooner  than expected He loves play fast.. So he should be off player... I don't know about yours but my customers never complain... How long your expectation? 1 year? 2 year?

Edited by bbkon - 02/28/2014 at 2:16am

JacekGM wrote: Why not good old regular Spectol? Still available. Takes some time to learn to play with... and against!

802-1 is more deceptive, it will sometimes areoffer some reversal when used against someone who has some power, 563 and 802 don't, they give dead balls. More expensive option are things like spectol.

While 563 wont give natural reversal its still a very capable rubber and the gold class of hitting medium pips

Edited by bluebucket - 03/01/2014 at 12:04am

Believe me, Spectol (ca 1.8 mm) on a 90 g Juic SB Alpha can be plenty fast without speed glue.

spectol is not that disruptive.
if your plan is to win points by the disruption of spectol you probably won't have much success.

short pips in general are not made to win points by disruption but more by successive blocks or hits playing very close to the table.

if you want serious disruption try long pips.
the only short pips I've seen that have significant disruption and could win points only with that characteristic are dhs 651 and 652, and this is still questionable, some players have no problems against them.

check for example mu zi who is playing these days chinese competitions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YjB5XNnjWwc

you can see that she barely wins any point just because of the pips and when she does it's after many hits from the "inverted" player.


Edited by puppy412 - 03/01/2014 at 5:25pm

Sounds like giant dragon 612 is like other less grippy medium pips. They aren't used as commonly as 563 because they are difficult to use. Anyway neither are a true short pip

AcudaDave wrote: Yeah it was so difficult to attack underspin with 612 because they didn't grip the ball.

If you are looking for alternatives soft since the pball I'm quite happy with the Yinhe Pluto 1.5mm on my backhand. I play with TSP balsa 5.5 and the balance between attack and defense is quite good.

mykonos96 wrote: chop4ever wrote: I recommend old tensor hard sponge combine to horizontal big pips. Get the max sponge then boost it with thin booster or speed glue. As some pros I know, boosted original 2mm Spectol on BH and max TSP Warrant or Tyrano on FH. There are not much different on speed among pips but the accuracy and consistency are the main factor: they limit the speed as if you hit harder you can't control the ball. What other pips have you seen in top players specially cpens?

mykonos96 wrote: chop4ever wrote: mykonos96 wrote: chop4ever wrote: I recommend old tensor hard sponge combine to horizontal big pips. Get the max sponge then boost it with thin booster or speed glue. As some pros I know, boosted original 2mm Spectol on BH and max TSP Warrant or Tyrano on FH. There are not much different on speed among pips but the accuracy and consistency are the main factor: they limit the speed as if you hit harder you can't control the ball. What other pips have you seen in top players specially cpens? HZW used 802 with special sponge. LGL used Stiga Clippa (with un-known sponge) I meant in your city

mykonos96 wrote: chop4ever wrote: mykonos96 wrote: chop4ever wrote: mykonos96 wrote: chop4ever wrote: I recommend old tensor hard sponge combine to horizontal big pips. Get the max sponge then boost it with thin booster or speed glue. As some pros I know, boosted original 2mm Spectol on BH and max TSP Warrant or Tyrano on FH. There are not much different on speed among pips but the accuracy and consistency are the main factor: they limit the speed as if you hit harder you can't control the ball. What other pips have you seen in top players specially cpens? HZW used 802 with special sponge. LGL used Stiga Clippa (with un-known sponge) I meant in your city top player in my State uses Spectol 21 on bh Blowfish+ on his fh. however he is shakehander No SP Cpens?

How fast is Spectol Blue vs Spectol, Waran, Blowfish+, etc?

Has anyone tried Hexer Pips Force? What is the speed, spin, disruption, sponge hardness of that rubber?

There are 3 kinds of short pips spin, speed and mix. I have listed a few in each category: