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    Posted: 04/20/2014 at 3:13pm
There are 3 players in the video. They DO have USATT ratings and if you know any of them, please do NOT participate in the rating estimation. Just wanted to see how accurate the guesses here are..

There are 3 players in the videos. They all live in Florida but are not Florida natives..



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/20/2014 at 4:22pm
I'll describe the players as white shirt, black shirt and LP'er.

I thought white shirt was the best.  Excellent variety of serves, good at returning serves and blocking.  Forehands and backhands were nice.  He didn't move well, but had good reach to compensate.  Videos usually make you look worse than you are, so I'll put him at 2100.

Black shirt had nice loops and moved well.  Not much in the way of serves, but was okay.  Seemed to miss shots that he should have hit.  I'd put him at 1900.

LP'er seemed to know how to use the pips and had good forehand loops.  White shirt knew how to handle the pips so LP'er may have been better than he looked.  His rating would be determined by how his opponents understood his pips.  I'd put him at 1850-1950.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/20/2014 at 5:52pm

Only watched 1st 5 minutes !

Guess - estimate - both players range 1800-2000





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/20/2014 at 5:54pm
Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:


Only watched 1st 5 minutes !

Guessimate - both players range 1800-2000


I agreed with you after the first 5 minutes, but I thought white shirt handled the LP'er so well than I moved him up.
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Somewhere in the neighborhood of 2000 seems right. They got balance and movement and shots and tactics enough for that level.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/20/2014 at 6:00pm
Interesting guesses so far.. keep 'em coming.. I will post actual ratings tomorrow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/20/2014 at 7:16pm
This might be one of the tougher ones to guess.  

Guy in the white shirt without pips:
Serves seemed okay, but a number of them went long.  He didn't vary the placement of the serve too much, but seemed to mix up the spin well.  His opponents weren't taking advantage of his longer servers enough.
Service return - very consistent however almost all of them were long pushes and not at difficult angles.  This might have to do with his opponents though.  Neither opponent had a powerful close to the table loop so this could be considered a smart play.  On the other hand, if he were to do this against a strong 2000 player with a powerful loop, he'd be in big trouble.
FH attacks - this aspect of his game I find the most interesting.  For the most part he played it very safe, but on occasion he would rip one past his opponent.  Were they easy balls he chose to attack, or was he holding back at other times?  He was content getting into looping rallies and did well in there and was able to add power quite easily especially when backing up to mid distance.  
FH blocks - they seemed very awkward to me but were consistent.  I would have liked to see how he blocked against stronger loops.  The 1st opponent didn't seem to have much oomph behind his loops until he stepped away from the table a bit.  
BH attacks - if the ball was above the net, his bh was dangerous.  We didn't see too many low underspin balls that he attacked from his BH so I can't really comment on that.
BH blocks - consistent but for the most part seemed to be keep it on the table blocks as opposed to moving my opponent around to force an error or create an opening for a counter attack.

I want to say around 2000, but part of me thinks a 2000 player with a strong loop would have a field day w/ all the long pushes and loose serves.  For that reason, I'm going to say 1850.


Guy in the black shirt:
Serves seemed simple and gave very little trouble to his opponent.
Serve return for the most part was pretty good, but made some mistakes.  Didn't take proper advantage of longer serves.
Loops - very consistent loops from both wings, but clearly lacked power until he stepped away from the table.  He was being dared to loop by his opponent and had a lot of trouble getting 1 by him.  Also, the location of his loops were very predictable which made blocking easier.
Blocking - not enough information to form an opinion because he opened more often than not.
I'm going to say around 1700 based on the consistency of the loops alone.

I'm not going to guess on the pips player.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/20/2014 at 7:23pm
I only watched the first 2 guys. Maybe 2100ish.
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Guy in black shirt 1800
Guy in the white sleeve less - 2000
Guy in white shirt 2200
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/20/2014 at 11:57pm
first two guys 1100 canadian...

just watched 3rd guy...he's also 1100'ish canadian

these guys are average rec players and would get about 4 pts off me..6 at the most.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/21/2014 at 12:04am
Ok, here is the answer..

The guy in the white sleeveless shirt is 2069
The guy in the black shirt is approx. 2100 (he used to be 2200 but hasn't played tournaments in years)
The long pips guy is 2126 rated and has been as high as 2178 recently

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/21/2014 at 12:07am
Wow...thanks - got the guy in the black shirt wrong - didn't think he was that high!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/21/2014 at 12:08am
Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Ok, here is the answer..

The guy in the white sleeveless shirt is 2069
The guy in the black shirt is approx. 2100 (he used to be 2200 but hasn't played tournaments in years)
The long pips guy is 2126 rated and has been as high as 2178 recently


that doesn't surprise me....again...1100 canadian...1250 tops..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/21/2014 at 12:12am
Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Ok, here is the answer..

The guy in the white sleeveless shirt is 2069
The guy in the black shirt is approx. 2100 (he used to be 2200 but hasn't played tournaments in years)
The long pips guy is 2126 rated and has been as high as 2178 recently


that doesn't surprise me....again...1100 canadian...1250 tops..

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Hmmm I think your conversions are off - might want to fire up the calculator again. You can hold a 2000 US level player to under 6 points? You must talking about your coach Wang Zhen.
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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Ok, here is the answer..

The guy in the white sleeveless shirt is 2069
The guy in the black shirt is approx. 2100 (he used to be 2200 but hasn't played tournaments in years)
The long pips guy is 2126 rated and has been as high as 2178 recently


that doesn't surprise me....again...1100 canadian...1250 tops..

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Hmmm I think your conversions are off - might want to fire up the calculator again. You can hold a 2000 US level player to under 6 points? You must talking about your coach Wang Zhen.


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i could hold each player under 6.    wang would hold them to 1-2 pts each.   they are average rec players

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/21/2014 at 12:15am
Do I win the cupie doll for my 2100 guess?

I will also guess that rick is 2500ish.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/21/2014 at 12:16am
Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Wow...thanks - got the guy in the black shirt wrong - didn't think he was that high!
It's hard to estimate his current playing level as he hasn't been playing tournaments in several years. At the club, I've never seen any sub 2000 players beat him. Especially against slower styles he is very strong.
The guy in the sleeveless shirt is a improving player. His rating might not reflect his current playing level. I would say that he plays 2100 level right now but he has problems with certain styles.. For example, he has never beaten me but he takes games off me from time to time. The long pips player has been averaging 2100's for years even though he has dropped lower occasionally but most of the time he is around 2100. He can beat very strong players if the style matches up well. I've seen him take games off 2400 playes many times. He plays very well against me and we beat each other more or less 50/50. Our matches usually go 5 games. We know each other's games very well and any outcome is possible.. I usually play him 2 or 3 times every Friday.

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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Wow...thanks - got the guy in the black shirt wrong - didn't think he was that high!
It's hard to estimate his current playing level as he hasn't been playing tournaments in several years. At the club, I've never seen any sub 2000 players beat him. Especially against slower styles he is very strong.
The guy in the sleeveless shirt is a improving player. His rating might not reflect his current playing level. I would say that he plays 2100 level right now but he has problems with certain styles.. For example, he has never beaten me but he takes games off me from time to time. The long pips player has been averaging 2100's for years even though he has dropped lower occasionally but most of the time he is around 2100. He can beat very strong players if the style matches up well. I've seen him take games off 2400 playes many times. He plays very well against me and we beat each other more or less 50/50. Our matches usually go 5 games. We know each other's games very well and any outcome is possible..


suffice to say that it doesn't really start to resemble table tennis until it gets around 2800

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/21/2014 at 12:25am
Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Ok, here is the answer..

The guy in the white sleeveless shirt is 2069
The guy in the black shirt is approx. 2100 (he used to be 2200 but hasn't played tournaments in years)
The long pips guy is 2126 rated and has been as high as 2178 recently


that doesn't surprise me....again...1100 canadian...1250 tops..

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Hmmm I think your conversions are off - might want to fire up the calculator again. You can hold a 2000 US level player to under 6 points? You must talking about your coach Wang Zhen.


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i could hold each player under 6.    wang would hold them to 1-2 pts each.   they are average rec players

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there is a good chance that I will be in Vancouver this summer or fall. I would like to play you when I'm there. My playing level should be 1300 canadian max based on your estimations as I'm only 2155 us rating right now, so you should take me easily!
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Take your camera PB! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/21/2014 at 12:33am
Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Ok, here is the answer..

The guy in the white sleeveless shirt is 2069
The guy in the black shirt is approx. 2100 (he used to be 2200 but hasn't played tournaments in years)
The long pips guy is 2126 rated and has been as high as 2178 recently


that doesn't surprise me....again...1100 canadian...1250 tops..

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Hmmm I think your conversions are off - might want to fire up the calculator again. You can hold a 2000 US level player to under 6 points? You must talking about your coach Wang Zhen.


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i could hold each player under 6.    wang would hold them to 1-2 pts each.   they are average rec players

regards
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there is a good chance that I will be in Vancouver this summer or fall. I would like to play you when I'm there. My playing level should be 1300 canadian max based on your estimations as I'm only 2155 us rating right now, so you should take me easily!


iv'e seen full matches of you pb....you're better than 1300 canadian....gun to my head i put you at 1500-1650 canadian as you are more consistent than these guys you're posting about.

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Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Ok, here is the answer..

The guy in the white sleeveless shirt is 2069
The guy in the black shirt is approx. 2100 (he used to be 2200 but hasn't played tournaments in years)
The long pips guy is 2126 rated and has been as high as 2178 recently


that doesn't surprise me....again...1100 canadian...1250 tops..

regards
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Hmmm I think your conversions are off - might want to fire up the calculator again. You can hold a 2000 US level player to under 6 points? You must talking about your coach Wang Zhen.


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i could hold each player under 6.    wang would hold them to 1-2 pts each.   they are average rec players

regards
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Rick,
Do you have any recent videos of your TT? I saw the killershot - but that was only 1 shot - longer one would much appreciated. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/21/2014 at 12:42am
Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by ByeByeAbout ByeByeAbout wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Ok, here is the answer..

The guy in the white sleeveless shirt is 2069
The guy in the black shirt is approx. 2100 (he used to be 2200 but hasn't played tournaments in years)
The long pips guy is 2126 rated and has been as high as 2178 recently


that doesn't surprise me....again...1100 canadian...1250 tops..

regards
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Hmmm I think your conversions are off - might want to fire up the calculator again. You can hold a 2000 US level player to under 6 points? You must talking about your coach Wang Zhen.


jr

i could hold each player under 6.    wang would hold them to 1-2 pts each.   they are average rec players

regards
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there is a good chance that I will be in Vancouver this summer or fall. I would like to play you when I'm there. My playing level should be 1300 canadian max based on your estimations as I'm only 2155 us rating right now, so you should take me easily!


iv'e seen full matches of you pb....you're better than 1300 canadian....gun to my head i put you at 1500-1650 canadian as you are more consistent than these guys you're posting about.

regards
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btw, here is the last game of a match against a canadian player who was rated 2500 canadian at the time of the match and 2600 right now..



I was also 60 lbs heavier at that match.

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I'm a little confused. The guys in the clip are US2100 and are apparently 1100-1250 canadian. PB is US2155 and yet 1500-1650 canadian. I know Im not good at maths but...
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Originally posted by DDreamer DDreamer wrote:

I'm a little confused. The guys in the clip are US2100 and are apparently 1100-1250 canadian. PB is US2155 and yet 1500-1650 canadian. I know Im not good at maths but...

also check the match above of me against #39 in canada at the time of the match (2500 canadian rating at the time) and I won. I have beaten several canadian players above canadian 2100 rating at the various team tournaments that I played.. Example.. Ben Bispham, Bryan Michaud. I did however lose to 2500 canada rated Teddy Wu in 5.
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Originally posted by DDreamer DDreamer wrote:

I'm a little confused. The guys in the clip are US2100 and are apparently 1100-1250 canadian. PB is US2155 and yet 1500-1650 canadian. I know Im not good at maths but...
I don't have any stats to back me up - but I would say a 2000 player in Canada & USA are about equal. 
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btw, here is the last game of a match against a canadian player who was rated 2500 canadian at the time of the match and 2600 right now..

I was also 60 lbs heavier at that match.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/21/2014 at 12:56am
Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by DDreamer DDreamer wrote:

I'm a little confused. The guys in the clip are US2100 and are apparently 1100-1250 canadian. PB is US2155 and yet 1500-1650 canadian. I know Im not good at maths but...
I don't have any stats to back me up - but I would say a 2000 player in Canada & USA are about equal. 
I'm afraid you must be incorrect. Rick says US2100 is 1100-1250 Canadian. My money is on Rick's judgement.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/21/2014 at 12:56am
Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by DDreamer DDreamer wrote:

I'm a little confused. The guys in the clip are US2100 and are apparently 1100-1250 canadian. PB is US2155 and yet 1500-1650 canadian. I know Im not good at maths but...

also check the match above of me against #39 in canada at the time of the match (2500 canadian rating at the time) and I won. I have beaten several canadian players above canadian 2100 rating at the various team tournaments that I played.. Example.. Ben Bispham, Bryan Michaud. I did however lose to 2500 canada rated Teddy Wu in 5.
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I don't think you should count those guys - I don't think they have the experience to beat you. They were either juniors or just turned 18 - I don't think junior players have any chance against you. (maybe pips players). Not familiar with Teddy Wu.
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