beginners with expensive, overly fast equipment

I don't really pay much attention to what equipment others are using - well, outside of whether it's inverted, pips... etc. If someone asks me for advice, I'll take a look at their game and give them my opinion on what I think might suit them. But other than that, I have plenty of things to worry about with my own game, let alone find the mind-space to worry about whether it's appropriate for this guy and that guy to have a fast $200 blade or not. 

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when playing beginners what I subconsciously do is try to identify what they can do.
then just do whatever I want but always throw it to that place where they can answer in a way that they can answer.

also I realized many beginners have this thing when playing "high level players" that they get all nervous and inhibited and make stupid mistakes.
so I try my best to get them to relax and show them that I'm just like them and I make mistakes all the time too (all this without saying a word, just by my play).

if this is successful most times they relax and bring out a very good player that was hidden somewhere and expecting to play someone who could give them a lot of balls back. this to me is awesome.
seeing a player who was barely passing balls with another beginner start hitting super balls just because he is playing a player who can give them more balls back.

all this thing you guys talk about is more like an ego battle.
it's like you want to play it nice but when the other guy does something you don't approve you get offended and try to "teach them a lesson" and then it's all like a ping pong fight to see who is better.
it's like deep down you are trying to defend your ego/reputation because you are unsure.

as for equipment, after having tried most stuff out there, I don't think there is something much faster or much slower than something else.
everything is pretty similar to everything else.
so whatever they use is fine.
actually if a beginner uses a mizutani with 2 tenergy I would probably feel rather excited and ask him to try it


Edited by puppy412 - 04/21/2014 at 1:24pm

puppy412 wrote: when playing beginners what I subconsciously do is try to identify what they can do. then just do whatever I want but always throw it to that place where they can answer in a way that they can answer. also I realized many beginners have this thing when playing "high level players" that they get all nervous and inhibited and make stupid mistakes. so I try my best to get them to relax and show them that I'm just like them and I make mistakes all the time too (all this without saying a word, just by my play). if this is successful most times they relax and bring out a very good player that was hidden somewhere and expecting to play someone who could give them a lot of balls back. this to me is awesome. seeing a player who was barely passing balls with another beginner start hitting super balls just because he is playing a player who can give them more balls back. all this thing you guys talk about is more like an ego battle. it's like you want to play it nice but when the other guy does something you don't approve you get offended and try to "teach them a lesson" and then it's all like a ping pong fight to see who is better. as for equipment, after having tried most stuff out there, I don't think there is something much faster or much slower than something else. everything is pretty similar to everything else. so whatever they use is fine. actually if a beginner uses a mizutani with 2 tenergy I would probably feel rather excited and ask him to try it

actually now that I think of it, there are a couple of guys in my club that use super beginner stuff, like premades with no spin at all.
it's much harder to handle spin or make any kind of shot with this than a gergely with 2 tenergies.
they would do much better if they used an equipment that helps them more.
also even the fastest equipment dies down a lot after a couple months, almost to the point of old srivers or mark v.
so yeah, I'd totally give a schlager carbon + two tenergies to a beginner


Edited by puppy412 - 04/21/2014 at 1:07pm

in2spin wrote: this happens all the time I'm thinking of introducing a new rule: whoever misses - picks up the ball because, honestly, when we play players like that, basically aren't we forced to pick up the ball for their deficient play? :)

title of this thread should have "fast equipment" in it. 

There are lots of expensive blades and rubbers that are ALL to DEF speeds.  But I understand what the OP is saying.....usually some beginners that buy expensive stuff .....they pick carbon blades and Tenergys or Tensors they cant handle.     And its not that they have or use them...its that they will not understand that they cant handle it....lol    

Maybe when you see them....or hit with them,  tell them "Ok...move about 12 feet back off the table....that is where that setup will work for you and not any closer"    haaaaaaaaaa

 

Tale of two players with fast equipment from a few years back.  Both choose a Gergley carbon blade with Bryce on both sides (remember this was a while back).  One listened to his coaches, and gradually developed the touch and strokes to use his chosen combo, and advanced fairly rapidly in the sport.  

if we get angry or sarcastic to see beginners with expensive equipment, its our problem, not theirs.

we need to control our superciliousness, and if we think the equipment is faster than his/her ability, we can politely advise.

if the equipment is expensive but still helps them ... like tenergy fx 2.0 both sides of a Timo Boll AL .... then we don't need to get upset and let them play.

debraj wrote: if we get angry or sarcastic to see beginners with expensive equipment, its our problem, not theirs. we need to control our superciliousness, and if we think the equipment is faster than his/her ability, we can politely advise. if the equipment is expensive but still helps them ... like tenergy fx 2.0 both sides of a Timo Boll AL .... then we don't need to get upset and let them play.

Edited by aroonkl - 04/21/2014 at 6:51pm

pgpg wrote: That was an 'interesting' thread - and it seems like it has very little to do with the cost of equipment. I have a couple of comments (I am 1200, by the way, one of the unwashed peasants, so to speak). 1. What someone paid for their equipment is really none of my business. They most likely overpaid, but so does 80% of this forum, folks with EJ affliction in particular. May be they got bad advice, may be they don't consider it expensive, who cares - not your money.   2. Not sure what's up with 'not my equal' and 'must teach a lesson' - this attitude rubs me the wrong way. You are both TT players and paying customers. 3. OP somehow ends up playing with the offender for an hour or so - how come? In my club if there are people waiting, you play the game and get it over with - so it's 20 min suffering at most if you are so mismatched in level. If he was the only partner there - well, I'm sorry, but you kind of need him then, no? 4. It sounded from the reference to 'local experts' that offender was at his home club and you were a guest? OK, so they don't have very high level players there and their 'house rules' or etiquette are not up to your standard. Not a big deal in the end, since it sounds you won't enjoy playing there. Look, TT is a niche sport in US and it does not help when some folks are hell bent on 'teaching a lesson' every chance they get.

+1000!

Edited by rusttt - 04/21/2014 at 10:23pm

kurokami wrote: one dude U1200 owned a mizutani, a viscaria, and some all-wood blade idk, all with tenergy. yes i could've passively blocked BUT 1. the guy tried to smash from the get-go (a big no-no for me) 2. he approached me "let's play" with a smug confidence as if he were equal to me just bc he could smash back and forth with U1600, their "local experts" (sigh, must teach a lesson) 3. by saying he needs to switch his racket after missing, he implies it's the equipment and not the difference in our level i didn't say anything but just continued fh looping everything at close range. literally 100 balls in a row, he hit 2 past the net only. ball after ball went into the net. one hour past with perhaps 3 returns from him landing in at best. idk what he was thinking, STILL trying to smash at me. after the first 20 went into the net, he was like "let me change my racket". i did my best to keep a straight face while thinking *it's not the equipment...* it's such a bad idea to play with too fast equipment. being able to smash back and forth with U1600 doesn't mean they're ready for a high level blade. who recommended mj and vis w/ tenergy to this guy? $500 down the drain

haha that was funny how he keep switching rackets.

i think there's nothing wrong with using fast equipment when your starting out its just that it important to keep good technique. but it seem like this guy did not know how to use his equipment
when i started getting serious i use fast equipment too but i was determined to use good technique and practice every day on my strokes.

 this guy one the other hand only wanted to show off lol
serves him right

Koreans seem to be very brand oriented wanting the top end stuff, whether it is TT equipment or accessories. They spare almost no expense, and make up for it by stretching the use of their rubber to one year.

yogi_bear wrote: it's not about the price. there are a lot of pricey equipment that are not super fast. it's about the speed and control of the equipment

popperlocker wrote: ByeByeAbout wrote: when that happens to me i go right up to the player..about 4 inches from his face and very calmly tell him that if im going to continue to hit with him he has to get at least 10 in a row right to my fh...real gentle like....and if he does that then he can open up....but there has to be "value" in it for both of us.....i dont come straight out and tell him that im doing him a favour by hitting with him...but it has to work for both of us.... regards rick Wow, very friendly, productive, and intelligent method. Kind of like wax on, wax off, but better.

Perhaps you might want to walk up to a stranger and put your face 4 inches from theirs and ask them if it feels "very friendly, productive and intelligent.

Edited by Tassie52 - 04/22/2014 at 11:57pm

I don't know about you, but someone had to formally coach me on the importance of consistency during practice before I started do warm up for consistency over power.  And while I became consistent pretty quickly (I can tell because players who were about 2000+ had no problem hitting with me when I was 1300-1500), I still way too often warm up with 1500-2000 players who will not let me get into a hitting rhythm before looping the ball hard etc.

Edited by NextLevel - 04/23/2014 at 3:54am